https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309
As I’m sure you have already seen this latest edit provides some info about moderation tools. I’m no mod so I’m asking, is this a change you hoped to achieve, concerning moderation tools? I know the paid API thing is still there, but besides that, are these good news if they follow up on them?
I believe that all of the bots which the PoE reddit uses for reddit moderation either use under the existing limit for queries per minute, or use the legacy API so this increase in QPM doesn’t impact them.
The core of the issue is still unresolved: Killing the apps that humans use to moderate (RiF, Apollo, etc.) and forcing them to use an app that is worse for moderating and a much less information-dense UI that makes moderation harder. Threatening that they’ll replace entire mod teams who stay closed is also not helping.
All reddit would have to do is lower the API pricing to a feasible cost, and give a sufficient migration period for the developers of 3rd party apps who already are locked in with yearly subscriptions from Reddit users at far under the new cost per user. That IMO would be enough to end the mod strikes. It’d also help to not remove all NSFW content from the API since users won’t pay to use an app that’s a worse experience, but they might be able to get around that if they go far enough on the other two.
I’d personally be very satisfied if reddit turns back on their changes between now and Exilecon, it’s always a very fun time for the community. The date that all the 3rd party reddit apps turn off is within a few days of Exilecon though, so things might be held up right up until the end.
Do people moderate more from their phones than on PC? I would think that moderation happens mainly from the desktop version of reddit and all the tools would be there and not on mobile.
Is killing of 3rd party apps the hill to die on? If you want to argue philosophically, reddit went from full open source to not some time ago and that seems like a more important idea to fight for. But there were no protests for that. Now the majority of people complain on a basis of convenience lost because they are forced to use the official app on the phone. So is that really such an important issue? I get it some power users having a stronger opinion on this (and prolly most mods belong to that group as well) but I don’t think that affects the average user in such a grave manner.
Edit: didn’t PoE do something similar with their trade API and caused poeapp, poe.trade etc to shut down? Was there a protest then?
I’m not sure we have statistics on modding from desktop versus PC, but when we mod on mobile, most of us do so from these third party apps that are going away in a few weeks. I think at this point we expect that after killing 3rd party apps, reddit will move forward with removing old.reddit.com, where most of us do our desktop modding too. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but it seems like the right place to draw the line in the sand to us
Can we have a poll on reddit or something temporary? I have so many stuff saved, comments, crafting methods, discussions about farming strategies. At least I would like to export them somewhere if you plan to close it down for good. There’s so much info about the game just sitting inaccesible.
Let me reassure you there – we don’t plan to close it down forever. Additionally, for the duration of the blackout I’m working on a read-only mirror of the subreddit with all the data up until March. The data is exported. Later this weekend I should be able to share a link that lets everyone view the contents of the sub without actually giving reddit any traffic
Would that resolve your concern about guides? Or does the posts are saved mean through the reddit saved tab, and you’d still need to re-find them all
Saved option in the reddit profile saved tab. The saved stuff and any google searches will still remain closed off right? So assume I do a google search about a poe question and most of the time the answer was answered on a subreddit post. Those would still be inaccesible too. Or my own posts, detailing something that we access through our reddit profile.
The mirror clone sounds good and I assume is a lot of work too. But all the things I mentioned are accessed via either our reddit profile or google search results.
Gotcha, yeah the reddit profile items won’t be available, but for Google search results you could take reddit.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff and replace it with new-website.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff
Anyway I’m still working on setting that up. I’ll post here when it’s ready
Well it seems the admins are now forcing subs to open, at least based on pics, steam and piracy. Piracy is taking it as an endorsement from the admins that they want piracy on their site. Pics is now John Oliver pics only, and Steam is now discussions of actual water vapor.
If you’re not planning on closing forever, why not just open it now in restricted or limited to specific tangential posting similar to other subs; rather than mirroring the data just to have it available.
We actually just got modmail from reddit telling us we need to open up or they will assign new mods. We’re talking about what to do.
I’ll comment here since the main reddit post is getting spammed. What do you hope to achieve with making everything in the sub NSFW? What about trolls that will post gore with missleading titles and more NSFW content? Why would you enable such behavior insted of just leaving gracefully? Like reddit did to you, why are you enforcing your own opinions to people that didn’t mind the reddit changes? In the poll, who is more likely to brigade when you have an option that enables trolls and spam bots to post without reprecussions? At least consider doing a second polling round between the top 2 choices.
Oh, to be clear we have never considered allowing actual pornography or gore on the subreddit. All the rules and mod enforcement will be the same. This poll option would just mark all posts as nsfw in the UI, which hurts reddit’s advertising quite a bit.
We can justify this by the game being rated M for violence, nudity, etc, and around 1/4 posts has profanity in it or it’s comments, based on some database queries I ran