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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

www.thenation.com

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New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

www.thenation.com

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago
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There is more dissent from the Zelensky government’s war aims than may appear.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Russia is being diplomatic, but if nobody wants to do diplomacy on the other end then they’re obviously going to take what they want by force at that point. Not sure what’s so hard to understand here.

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      It’s not meaningful diplomacy to say “give us everything we want or we will take everything we want”

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        Yeah it is when you are in a position of power. This is precisely how NATO has been conducting diplomacy with Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

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          Oh right, so do you consider America’s behaviour towards Afghanistan diplomatic then?

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            I’m just explaining to you how the real world works here. That said, Russia gave Ukraine way more chances than US gave any of the countries it invaded.

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              You said Russia was being diplomatic. Nobody is arguing that powerful countries are often cruel. So again, if this is Russia’s diplomacy towards Ukraine, do you agree that America was diplomatic towards Afghanistan?

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                War is an extension of diplomacy. The difference is that Russia is actually offering terms to Ukraine where US did not https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/clausewitz-war-as-politics-by-other-means

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                  Under this interpretation, the headline could then read “New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for War to End the War”

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                    You can interpret it whatever way you like.

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