• pingveno@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      That’s not how it works. As long as FPTP exists, it will lock us into two parties. We have had multiple party systems that all demonstrated this principle. Some places are experimenting with alternatives on the state and local level, but it will take time.

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      You’ve already got one response to this which is correct. I want to add to it to help explain how FPTP voting systems result in a 2 party system and simply voting for another party does not solve the issue.

      But first you’re either aware of the problem and want to encourage people to vote third party while pretending not to know how the system works or you’re actually just ignorant to the issue.

      I don’t normally like video links in discussions like this but this one is especially good and is only 6.5 mins.

      https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

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        you’re either aware of the problem and want to encourage people to vote third party while pretending not to know how the system works or you’re actually just ignorant to the issu

        false dichotomy

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        Your video does not explain how voting Democrat is going to fix the FTFP system.

        People that don’t understand politics have a better understanding than people that have been frog-boiled into voting for a Genocidal Geriatric.

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          The presidential vote isn’t where we fix the voting system. We have to work in the system we have. It’s just reality.

          My assessment of you hasn’t changed - you’re either completely ignorant or want Biden voters to change to third party to help Trump.

          Every interaction with you has a similar quality. I’m never sure if you’re just this stupid or if you know exactly what you’re doing.

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            The presidential vote is where it’s fixed. Republicans have already moved to ban other voting types calling them ‘too complicated’. Democrats will join them the second their duopoly is endangered.

            Just like how they crack down on student protests and block ballot access for third parties, Democrats have no standards either.

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              The system exists as it is…. I don’t know any other way to say this. FPTP has a spoiler problem that you can’t wish away.

              I’m not going to vote for a candidate that’s going to get maybe 2-5% of the vote.

              I would like to bet you $1000 that either the Dem or Rep candidate will win. If anyone BUT those two win, I would pay you.

              If you ACTUALLY believed anyone else will win, you’d take me up on it. What do you say?

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                Strange you’re including Republican in there. You believe Biden is winning right? So your money should be on Biden and any other winner would make you lose.

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                  I’m sitting here trying to convince you that FPTP results in a two party system. I’m betting on the two parties.

                  YOU are the one imagining that can change by simply voting 3rd party.

                  So, you down for a bet or what?

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        FPTP voting systems result in a 2 party system and simply voting for another party does not solve the issue.

        this isn’t an immutable natural law.