There’s never been an actual communist government. As much as those countries like to say they’re communist, that doesn’t make it true. They’re authoritarian, and you’re buying their propaganda if you think they’re actually communist.
They are buying propaganda, but in this thread they are selling it. They’re a bad faith actor, disinfo bot, or standard issue moron. The only hard part is knowing which one.
If every “communist” government ever turned out to be authoritarian, you might want to ask yourself if there is some fundamental flaw in communism that makes it so it always turns out that way.
Also, Marx literally called for a “dictatorship of the proletariat”. If that isn’t authoritarian, then IDK what is.
A bunch of Marxist-Leninist governments turned out to be authoritarian, as well as fermenting cult-like behavior in smaller ML groups. That’s a reason to drop that whole branch. Has nothing to do with leftism in the broad view.
They weren’t communist, they were state capitalists, if you ask any serious person that knows anything about economic systems they will agree, that’s the common consensus. Want another example of a state capitalist country? That’s us. The US is a state capitalist country. Why? Well… when a business fails, and the government props them up. That’s state capitalism.
Meanwhile England created a man-made famine in Ireland and oversaw 15 of them in India, while the US straight up did the worst genocide the world has ever seen and is driving the climate catastrophy which might end up killing most of the humans on earth. Not defending socialist states, but there’s not even a comparison here.
You’re missing the point. This isn’t about which form of government is better, it’s about the fact that governments themselves are liable to produce far worse catastrophes than the businesses they’re supposed to be regulating, and every time you vote for giving the government more power to punish those you hate, you are also giving it more power to punish yourself.
The Romania link is kinda misleading. That isn’t a big government problem: that’s a profit crushing laypeople problem. Both the communist Romanian government and the capitalist government that followed wanted to profit from many different mines even though it would destroy nearby villages.
Rosia Montana is still very controversial today. A different mine, but the same core reasoning and issues.
Since leftists tend to also condemn those things, as well, what the hell are you on about?
Leftists LOVE to defend big government, particularly if it’s communist.
Meanwhile, communist governments are responsible for some of the worst man-made natural disasters in history.
https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/how-the-soviet-union-created-central-asias-worst-environmental-disaster/
https://www.cnsjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/The-Environmental-Record-of-the-Soviet-Union.pdf
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/27/chinese-communist-party-environment-co2/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/romanias-unsolved-communist-ecological-disaster/
There’s never been an actual communist government. As much as those countries like to say they’re communist, that doesn’t make it true. They’re authoritarian, and you’re buying their propaganda if you think they’re actually communist.
They are buying propaganda, but in this thread they are selling it. They’re a bad faith actor, disinfo bot, or standard issue moron. The only hard part is knowing which one.
If every “communist” government ever turned out to be authoritarian, you might want to ask yourself if there is some fundamental flaw in communism that makes it so it always turns out that way.
Also, Marx literally called for a “dictatorship of the proletariat”. If that isn’t authoritarian, then IDK what is.
You gotta be fucking dumb to think that there is only capitalism on the right and communism on the left.
They are both extreme and should be treated as such.
I assume you are from the US because your communism trigger is the fastest in the west.
There isn’t even an iota of leftism in the US political system and you call your left communist.
A bunch of Marxist-Leninist governments turned out to be authoritarian, as well as fermenting cult-like behavior in smaller ML groups. That’s a reason to drop that whole branch. Has nothing to do with leftism in the broad view.
The Lemmy devs are explicitly Marxist-Leninist, but you know that, right?
They weren’t communist, they were state capitalists, if you ask any serious person that knows anything about economic systems they will agree, that’s the common consensus. Want another example of a state capitalist country? That’s us. The US is a state capitalist country. Why? Well… when a business fails, and the government props them up. That’s state capitalism.
Meanwhile England created a man-made famine in Ireland and oversaw 15 of them in India, while the US straight up did the worst genocide the world has ever seen and is driving the climate catastrophy which might end up killing most of the humans on earth. Not defending socialist states, but there’s not even a comparison here.
You’re missing the point. This isn’t about which form of government is better, it’s about the fact that governments themselves are liable to produce far worse catastrophes than the businesses they’re supposed to be regulating, and every time you vote for giving the government more power to punish those you hate, you are also giving it more power to punish yourself.
The Romania link is kinda misleading. That isn’t a big government problem: that’s a profit crushing laypeople problem. Both the communist Romanian government and the capitalist government that followed wanted to profit from many different mines even though it would destroy nearby villages.
Rosia Montana is still very controversial today. A different mine, but the same core reasoning and issues.
Everyone left of Mitch McConnell is a COMMUNIST!!!
Yeah, I don’t know man, you sound like a coconut.
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