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House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) met with President Biden Thursday night to relay the sentiments of the House Democratic Caucus regarding his reelection bid, as concerns grow within the ranks about the incumbent’s ability to beat former President Trump in November.
The meeting — revealed in a letter to colleagues Friday morning — came after Jeffries spoke with a large swath of House Democrats in the two weeks since last month’s debate, which prompted concerns about Biden’s viability at the top of the presidential ticket. . The meeting took place after Biden’s high-stakes press conference that evening, a source familiar told The Hill.
Jeffries said he passed along the “full breadth” of thoughts he heard within his caucus.
Pick the old man or pick the Nazis
Pick the old man or pick the old man who is a Nazi. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.
Trump is 78, he’s fucking old too.
Happy to pick the old man if he is the nominee, but we’re not there yet. There is still a lot of time to have someone that can actually beat the Nazi.
Or literally any other Democrat.
The choice is not, nor has it ever been, binary.
The choice is not, nor has it ever been, binary.
It’s always been binary, thats how FPTP works.
Blue Maga == Believing literal fantasy
If you vote for a third party in November you are helping Trump win. The primaries are over. It’s either Biden or whomever the DNC picks now. There are 2 options, 1 of which might be up in the air.
No one said that. This is you living in a fantasy.
You being vague and argumentative without clarification is trolling. Sad and lame.
No one suggested a third party candidate. You are projecting a false narrative onto what was said.
The primaries never really happened, Biden was the only candidate to be on all the ballots. The next closest was only in slightly more than half.
During the primary it was “shame on you don’t primary an incumbent! That’s bad!”
Now it’s “oh look at the primary! Shame on you!”
Biden can’t beat Trump. Hell, he can’t even keep his own VP straight. If you think it doesn’t matter… it does. The confusion caused by a gaff when responding to a crisis is rather significant. Being able to communicate clearly and decisively is a not-insignificant part of the job.
During the primary it was “shame on you don’t primary an incumbent! That’s bad!”
I can only speak for myself; I never said that.
I think there’s a fair argument that the Democrats kept the extent of his oldness a secret through the primaries which they should not have done.
Biden can’t beat Trump.
Are you aware that they’re in a dead even heat among registered voters (according to the polls that are garbage, but, that’s what the polls say), and that the ratio of registered voters who will turn into actual voters in the election is quantitatively way higher among the Democrats?
It’s way more complex than just that for several reasons, and definitely not a reason to relax with so much on the line (or automatically discount the idea of replacing him), but the bottom line “can he?” answer right now is yes. I’m aware that the media narrative is that it’s not. Why are you saying he can’t beat Trump?
Hell, he can’t even keep his own VP straight. If you think it doesn’t matter… it does. The confusion caused by a gaff when responding to a crisis is rather significant. Being able to communicate clearly and decisively is a not-insignificant part of the job.
Yeah, because Trump makes good decisions in a crisis and communicates clearly and decisively and never makes gaffes.
Biden’s press conference included coherent adult answers to a bunch of policy questions, and also some awful facepalming gaffes. If that means we need to disqualify him from the presidency, we need to fire Trump into the sun.
Are you aware that they’re in a dead even heat among registered voters (according to the polls that are garbage, but, that’s what the polls say), and that the ratio of registered voters who will turn into actual voters in the election is quantitatively way higher among the Democrats?
he won the 2020 election by squeaking out a win in 4 states that had less than or around 20k votes (compared to ~3 million voters.) That’s literally a rounding error. If he had lost any 3 states of PA, GA, AZ, or CO. and while the margins were a bit better we can add WI and MI to that list of questionable states.
Trump and his goons have had 4 years to pull out everything that stopped them from taking those states. They’ve doubled, trippled and quadrupled down on the rhetoric, whipping up their base; they’ve gone rampant on supressing minority voters, gerrymandering and generally just fucking up democracy; and SCOTUS is doing everything in it’s power to help, too, what with declaring immunity for things, intercedeing and delaying trial proceedings.
Meanwhile Biden is loosing votes from americans who are muslims because of his ardent support Israel as they prosecute a genocidal campaign in gaza.
Michigan, for example, 100k people voted ‘uncommitted’ instead of supporting biden or another primary opponent. These are people voting in a primary that was actively suppressed by the DNC because “Don’t primary the incumbent” bullcrap. To put this in perspective, Biden won Michigan in 2020 with ~150k votes to spare
in WI, 48k people voted 'other in the primary. in 2020, Biden won WI by 20.6k votes
Further, He’s losing votes on immigration (because boy did he run to the right on that reform…); he’s losing votes on the economy (because I’m pretty sure the NATO news conference was the first time he actually awknowledged common people are still hurting rather than “hey the [rich people’s yacht money] is fine”…
And now, we’re seeing that he can’t keep the names of his VP and presumptive opponent straight. Which. yes. That’s actually a big deal in terms of being able to do the job of president. Communicating clearly and concisely is a vital skill. same with Zelennsky and Putin. you can keep excusing it if you want. but it keeps happening. And the reality is because they quashed the primary, now is the time we get to see him really start campaigning.
Yeah, because Trump makes good decisions in a crisis and communicates clearly and decisively and never makes gaffes.
The question is not whether Biden is better than trump. Nobody here is arguing (so far as I can see, at least,) that Trump is okay. He’s a convicted felon, he’s a proven rapist. He’s a liar, a cheat, and corrupt, violent asshole. Nobody is arguing that Trump is preferable to Biden.
The question is whether Biden can beat trump, and right now, we’re not seeing that. in the nato speech, I think the only two things that were leaving good impressions was the anger over kids dying… and finally recognizing that yeah, the “economy” is doing great but average americans are struggling.
Biden’s press conference included coherent adult answers to a bunch of policy questions, and also some awful facepalming gaffes. If that means we need to disqualify him from the presidency, [snip]
Taken in isolation, sure. yes. one gaff doesn’t mean anything. People make mistakes. it happens. Biden is consistently making these gaffs. The reality is that Trump’s not running on a policy platform. He’s running on a platform composed entirely of hate, insults, and belittlement. Policy is good, don’t get me wrong. But Biden isn’t going to win on policy.
literally any other Democrat
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I’m not saying Biden’s oldness is not a problem. I think most people with eyes can see that it is. I’m saying that the idea that the voters are panicking and abandoning him is 1,000% media created, because they remember what the alternative is, and also that strategizing what the best path forward now for the Democrats is, and then executing the best strategy (whether it winds up being Biden or not) is a much better use of time than freaking out in general and attacking Biden relentlessly while offering only vague untruths (with no particular strategy) for what the party should do instead of him.
(Unless you want Trump to win, in which case it’s an excellent use of time)
That polling may change if one of them actually gets their face out there.
…Except for Clinton, or maybe Newsom. They already have a lot of name recognition, and TBH is extremely sad that everyone is polling just about as well as Clinton. Swayable people I know do not like her.
Still you are not wrong. I think Dems are in trouble either way.
So let’s have one of them get their face out there
If there is someone the Democrats want to replace Biden with, let’s hear the name, let’s hear the plan. If they are keeping it secret because they think telling the media the plan will produce a bad result in some way, I can assure them that it will produce less of a bad result than just going on evening news shows every day and wailing about what an emergency it is that Biden is old and how they’re going to lose the election now. I can pretty much promise that producing the plan will produce a better result than that will.
True dingdong, true
Biden could die and I’d still vote for him, or whoever the non-fascist nominee was.
I would literally vote for a piece of fly encrusted dog shit than a fucking fascist.
Let’s put that to the test, shall we?
Mother needs him home by supper
If he wasn’t such a bigoted homophobe that caused an AIDS epidemic in Indiana I misght almost have pity for the man.
But he is and I don’t.
To be fair, the Nazi is also an old man
A diaper wearing old man.
No offense to the incontinent, I’m just going to have to insist that fascist “strongmen” at least be not quite that obviously fraudulent. It’s embarrassing.
Pick the old man as nominee, and you’ll get the Nazis in January.
