• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    I have a preference. Am I not allowded to have a preference that you disagree with? I should just accept what you want and keep my mouth shut?

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      At minimum keep it to yourself. Ask yourself what the utility of saying it is. Because what I read is “I support trans people but I still find them gross personally because if I don’t say that people will think I’m a f*g”

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        At minimum keep it to yourself

        So you’re telling me that I should stay in the closet because you don’t like my chosen lifestyle?

        Do you hear what you’re saying?

        Ask yourself what the utility of saying it is.

        The meme was about people who use “cis” as an insult and the people who find it insulting. My comment completely disarms the fanatics who use “cis” as a slur by embracing the word the way that it was originally intended to be used AND by using it in a way that those fanatics don’t like.

        “I support trans people but I still find them gross personally”

        This is an utterly ridiculous straw man. Literally worthy of ridicule. These are bad arguments and you should be ashamed to have made them.

        You clearly don’t have anything to say that is worth of discussion.

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          This is an utterly ridiculous straw man. Literally worthy of ridicule. These are bad arguments and you should be ashamed to have made them.

          Yeah, let me just page up all the trans and feminist academics writing on stigma theory as it relates to misogyny and transmisogyny and let them know that they are wrong, that cis men are never afraid of being tainted by an association with women or queer people

          Or maybe you’re just wrong and defensive, which is 1000 times worse than just being wrong and learning from being wrong, which is a normal human thing.

          When your online ego isn’t on the line I’d suggest reading Sexed Up by Julie Serano.

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              Well read on transmisogyny? How do you want me to point out to you that you’re incorrect? Like, earnestly, what is the right way to point out to someone that they’re being bigoted when they don’t know they’re being bigoted?

              I know more on this than you

              on a personal level- plenty of men hit on me and then when I speak in my non-passing voice to let them know I’m a lesbian react with disgust. Men who say they’d never be attracted to a trans woman have had no problem aggressively hitting on me

              On an academic level- I’ve read a lot of feminist works on misogyny, and works on how transmisogyny operates.

              You haven’t done enough study on the topic to have an opinion that you should personally stand by.

              Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak?

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                I said nothing about forcing my preferences on you but you’re working VERY hard to force your preferences on me.

                That says a LOT more about you than it does about me.

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                  What do you mean by my preferences? I am annoyed when people spout bullshit that they don’t understand is bullshit and then get defensive when you tell them they’re wrong, stop playing the victim.

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                    Could you possibly be any more egotistical? You are really full of yourself.

                    I understand completely that I am a cis man and that my sexual preference is for cis women. Why are you trying to force your beliefs down my throat? What defect of personality is it that makes you think that you should decide what I’m allowed to like?

                    I’m not being defensive. I don’t give the first fuck what you think I should like. I’m just trying to help you to understand how utterly toxic you are.