No. I want the IDF to be given the weapons to finish off Hamas. The Palestinians have no future while Hamas rules in Gaza, and the IDF are the only military force in the world with both the capacity and motivation to destroy Hamas - it certainly won’t come from Palestinians themselves. Israel can’t plausibly be expected to allow Gaza or the West Bank to become a state if that means Hamas coming to power.
When the problem is that Hamas only exists in the context of isreal’s genocide of the palastinian people, yeah. Calling for their defeat is calling for a continuation of that genocide dumbass. Maybe if you hopped off your murder train for 5 seconds to consider the history of why a terrorist group like Hamas exists in the first place you might have a human thought on the matter. But that requires empathy. Empathy for a people who have been murdered, displaced, and put behind a wall. Empathy for a people you have been told your whole life are brainless, heartless, brown terrorists with no goal but the elimination of Jewish folk instead of what they really are. People. People who have been abused by a colonist state for 80 years, fighting back against that state in the only way they can anymore.
Hamas shouldn’t exist, but Israel made the conditions where a group like Hamas will exist. And as long as the palastinians continue to exist and exist under apartheid, then Hamas or similar groups will continue to exist. This leaves you with 2 options. A. Give them their God damn land back and let them have their own independent state. B. Genocide.
Calling for anything other than option A is to call for genocide. Even if you don’t see it that way, that’s the reality of these situations. There’s history to show this, it isn’t the first apartheid state in existence. It isn’t the first ever genocide. We know how this goes. And history will remember it as such.
I see… so this isn’t really about the law, it’s about the values that you think those laws uphold.
What Israel is doing is in violation of several international laws. Couldn’t one say that protests like these are what “tends to happen when you knowingly break the law”? Then it’s just a matter of which value you hold higher: the laws that these protesters faced, or the not-forcibly-ousting-a-population laws.
So it’s not an Elbit Systems factory, it’s a separate French-owned company which owner company has a separate contract with Elbit Systems, and the article doesn’t actually say what this particular factory produces, who it sells to, or what the financial value of it is.
Great. Really cleared that up.
How much of the UK’s annual total of £18.2m in arms exports to Israel comes from this factory?
Tends to happen when you knowingly break the law
How fucking smug. If only we were all as brave as you.
I don’t agree with their methods or their objectives, so I don’t see anything to praise here as ‘brave’.
you don’t agree with their objective of protesting sale of drones to the IDF?
No. I want the IDF to be given the weapons to finish off Hamas. The Palestinians have no future while Hamas rules in Gaza, and the IDF are the only military force in the world with both the capacity and motivation to destroy Hamas - it certainly won’t come from Palestinians themselves. Israel can’t plausibly be expected to allow Gaza or the West Bank to become a state if that means Hamas coming to power.
Damn. Mans just out here calling for genocide just straight up.
Advocating for the defeat of Hamas is ‘calling for genocide’?
lmao
When the problem is that Hamas only exists in the context of isreal’s genocide of the palastinian people, yeah. Calling for their defeat is calling for a continuation of that genocide dumbass. Maybe if you hopped off your murder train for 5 seconds to consider the history of why a terrorist group like Hamas exists in the first place you might have a human thought on the matter. But that requires empathy. Empathy for a people who have been murdered, displaced, and put behind a wall. Empathy for a people you have been told your whole life are brainless, heartless, brown terrorists with no goal but the elimination of Jewish folk instead of what they really are. People. People who have been abused by a colonist state for 80 years, fighting back against that state in the only way they can anymore.
Hamas shouldn’t exist, but Israel made the conditions where a group like Hamas will exist. And as long as the palastinians continue to exist and exist under apartheid, then Hamas or similar groups will continue to exist. This leaves you with 2 options. A. Give them their God damn land back and let them have their own independent state. B. Genocide.
Calling for anything other than option A is to call for genocide. Even if you don’t see it that way, that’s the reality of these situations. There’s history to show this, it isn’t the first apartheid state in existence. It isn’t the first ever genocide. We know how this goes. And history will remember it as such.
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I see… so this isn’t really about the law, it’s about the values that you think those laws uphold.
What Israel is doing is in violation of several international laws. Couldn’t one say that protests like these are what “tends to happen when you knowingly break the law”? Then it’s just a matter of which value you hold higher: the laws that these protesters faced, or the not-forcibly-ousting-a-population laws.
The government is breaking the law by permitting the sale of these weapons.
What weapons?
https://lemmy.world/comment/11907198
So it’s not an Elbit Systems factory, it’s a separate French-owned company which owner company has a separate contract with Elbit Systems, and the article doesn’t actually say what this particular factory produces, who it sells to, or what the financial value of it is.
Great. Really cleared that up.
How much of the UK’s annual total of £18.2m in arms exports to Israel comes from this factory?
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