Jill Stein hurts Donald Trump more than Kamala Harris, poll suggests
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A recent poll shows Jill Stein's appearance on the ballot might be hurting Republicans more than Democrats, a reversal from 2016.
    • Capt. Wolf@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Stein has said she sees “no lesser evil” between Harris and Trump, yet she’s also called out Harris and said she will do whatever it takes to make sure she loses. She’s said no such thing about Trump. Doesn’t take a political sociologist to see that as supporting his regime.

      Cat’s out of the bag now, she’s truly just in it to spoil the vote.

        • Capt. Wolf@lemmy.world
          10·
          2 months ago

          It sure should, but as long as both primary parties support Israel, your argument is invalid. Israel is going to continue their war, whether we like or not, and both the democratic and republican parties will continue to support Israel despite public dissent. While that’s definitely an issue for public concern, and we should absolutely continue to voice our concern and pressure our officials, it’s essentially a non-issue for this election.

          Stein still remains a spoiler only to the democrats and, at the bare minimum, a taciturn supporter of a republican fascist…

          • Renfield@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Stein still remains a spoiler only to the democrats

            The data show she is a spoiler mostly to the Republicans

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          So you have a choice between genocide, or more genocide.

          Which you picking? Not picking means picking more genocide.

          You want to preach morals- make the moral choice.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    5·
    2 months ago

    It depends on how you define “hurts more”.

    Looking at the polling for PA, but SPECIFICALLY polls done by the same agency, both with Stein and without Stein:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/

    Oct. 7-10 857LV
    The New York Times/Siena College
    Harris - 49%
    Trump - 45%
    Stein - 1%
    Oliver - 0%

    Oct. 7-10 857LV
    The New York Times/Siena College
    Harris - 50%
    Trump - 47%

    In terms of raw numbers, yes, with Stein in the race Harris loses 1 point while Trump loses 2, so you’d THINK that means it hurts Trump more.

    But there’s no logistical difference between 47% and 45%.

    In elections where the winner is 50%+1, dropping from 50 to 49 is a HUGE difference.

    • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 months ago

      In elections where the winner is 50%+1,

      US popular vote elections aren’t 50%+1, though. Whoever has the most votes wins, regardless of percentage.

  • abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.usEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    Good news for a change! So I wonder - is the change due to Duke’s endorsement? The racists switch from voting from the GOP guy to Stein now because that?

    But there’s a reason for caution here, as the poll has a margin of error or 2.1% and the change to the duopoly candidates is smaller than this.

    Namely, Harris staying at 49% isn’t affected and the GOP guy goes down from 47% to 46% when Stein is added (49/47 w/o vs 49/46 w/).

    With that margin of error, it could easily be the other way around, (so 48/47 w/ in the extreme case).

    The margin of error is such that the poll is basically useless.