The controversial CSAM scanning plan keeps coming back
  • b34n5 [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    3 days ago

    It is the definitive moment to change instant messaging application. I have switched to the XMPP protocol with clients like Gajim or Profanity. There are also applications for smartphones.

  • iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee
    71·
    6 days ago

    Can we have the names in the headlines of which MPs keeps consistently putting this crap on the agenda multiple times every year for the last couple of decades?

      • toastal@lemmy.ml
        12·
        6 days ago

        You say this but Matrix is largely centralized so it would be easy to get the biggest node to comply. Servers are quite costly to run too which is a big problem.

        • eleitl@lemm.ee
          5·
          6 days ago

          Federated protocols are not centralized in principle. It might not scale to one user-one server (which probably even Lemmy can’t handle) but if you’re signing up for a central server, you’re doing it wrong™. Don’t do that. The nice thing about Matrix client is that it allows end to end encryption, including groups. So that greatly limits what Mallory can do in principle. As to servers being costly to run, given what documented Synapse requirements are, you’re looking at less than 5 EUR/month for a single server. Which can be shared among several users, obviously. This is in the same range as costs for a monthly VPN.

          • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
            9·
            6 days ago

            His point was the main Matrix.org server being way too prominent. In every given groupchat, chances are somebody is on this particular server. It is also the default for many clients.

            • toastal@lemmy.ml
              3·
              6 days ago

              The default links many folks/projects share specifically log you into Element & on Matrix.org as well which advertizes more folks to be on that centralized node. Furthermore, Matrix provides hosting for some of the other big servers as well even if they are not using matrix.org in the address.

            • eleitl@lemm.ee
              1·
              6 days ago

              Well, yes, but privacy in the current world is not free, even if it involves some own thought and planning. Being wary of defaults and being aware of implications one’s choices bring is of course too inconvenient for many. But these do not get to complain.

          • toastal@lemmy.ml
            6·
            6 days ago

            Synapse boasts about 50,000 concurrent users on a node. Ejabberd has been tuned to 2,000,000 concurrent users which shows how efficient & scalable the setup can be. €5/mo is a lot for many folks.

            • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
              4·
              5 days ago

              Monero-paid VPSes cost more, and given this fact, my €5 VPS (with a few other services already running there) would apparently not be enough for Synapse… But an XMPP server runs perfectly.

            • eleitl@lemm.ee
              1·
              6 days ago

              Poor people (who still can afford the end devices and an Internet plan) can of course share the costs in a community, or use one of the many free servers, as long as they are aware of the tradeoffs. Beigers not being choosers, and all that.

              • toastal@lemmy.ml
                3·
                5 days ago

                You can also choose to use technologies that aren’t such resource hogs. The eventual consistency model of Matrix alone & storage costs causud many medium-sized operations to shut their doors. Distroot.org for instance had to move to XMPP to deal with costs—& I have personally seen others.

                • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  While storage is my main concern (my VPS is very limited in this regard), there is also the fact that you can very well end up with nasty materials stored on your server without a convenient way to delete it. Even if you don’t let strangers have accounts on your server.

                • eleitl@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  5 days ago

                  Does XMPP have feature parity with Matrix? I presume that bridges exist?

    • airikr@lemmy.ml
      7·
      6 days ago

      Self-hosted XMPP using OMEMO included? OMEMO are based on Signal, hence my question.

    • davidebro@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      I don’t think Startmail will be affected. Ofcourse using Gmail is free pass to your data. How will gaming chats be affected? Does the government have access already?

    • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
      4·
      5 days ago

      The same French of whom more than a third want an authoritarian strongman in power? Personally I would prefer to copy the handful of boring countries where people actually trust their leaders and so don’t feel they need to resort to bloody revolution at the drop of a hat.

  • Manzas@lemdro.idEnglish
    20·
    6 days ago

    Why are they still thinking they can justify this? People which do illegal stuff are just going to use old apps self-host or bypass it with another way.

  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
    11·
    6 days ago

    However they want to do it, it will undermine a key principle of democracy and a human right: the right to privacy and private communication.

      • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        6 days ago

        Protonmail is

        Edit: At least it is if both the sender and recripient uses protonmail. Its open source so you could verify the client to make sure that the contents are encrypted. As for IP address and subject lines tho, that’s up to the Protonmail company to honor your privacy, and just hope they don’t betray you.

        • Godort@lemm.ee
          8·
          6 days ago

          Protonmail is definitely more private than google or Microsoft, but you shouldn’t hold 100% trust in any provider. Ultimately your data is still on their hardware and they have control of it. Also, as others have pointed out, both sides need to be secure otherwise all that data is accessible on the other side.

          You can mitigate it yourself a bit by hosting your own email server, but I highly recommend against that as its a massive headache to secure and basically every provider will reject your messages anyway.

            • Quereller
              2·
              6 days ago

              I have read that blog entry and some of its references. The evidence provided for this strong claim seems to be very weak. I would not judge anything based on the listed talking points. Now, knowthing is impossible and such services are sure in the interest of governments around the world. I also want to remind people on the Swiss Crypto AG which sold compromised analog encryption machines for decades.

        • rImITywR@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          6 days ago

          Even if you have 100% confidence in your own provider, you also need 100% confidence in every other recipients provider, which is basically impossible.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          6·
          6 days ago

          The body of the messages arguably are, but the metadata is not, and that includes the subject line and the sender & recipient addresses.

    • RiQuY@lemm.ee
      11·
      6 days ago

      Then go tell that to all of your WhatsApp contacts, people won’t change apps.

      • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip
        4·
        6 days ago

        I’m not touching an app owned by Meta. If people want to message me, they can use Signal.

        Turns out, this policy has weeded out lots of useless conversations from my life. So, I see it as a win.

      • ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world
        4·
        6 days ago

        but that’s the beaury of email! people don’t need to be on the same app to communicate with each other!

        that arbitrary walled-off garden of whatsapp doesn’t hamper anyone here!

      • eleitl@lemm.ee
        3·
        6 days ago

        I have zero such contacts. For the moment, I tolerate Signal. When it falls I’ll switch to self-hosted Matrix.

    • Undertaker@feddit.org
      9·
      6 days ago

      eMail is affected as well. There is no alternative. And mails are not private if not all participants use end to end encryption

      • ISOmorph@feddit.org
        5·
        6 days ago

        Of course there are alternatives. That’s the cherry on top of this crap pile: only regular non tech folks are affected. Nerds and actual criminals will just run an xmpp or simplex server and not care about the legislation.