Unpopular opinion, but I don’t really mind them, for now. They are not that imposing and I like to see the other viewpoint occasionaly, as I don’t use other social networks. Makes me feel like I’m in less of a bubble here.
Homie I have been all over the internet and Lemmy has gotta be the worst lefty bubble/echo chamber I have ever seen.
Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion. If that’s not indictive of a heavy bias left I don’t know what is.
Im a left leaning moderate and I get downvoted constantly because I refuse to parrot the hivemind nonsense 24/7.
When I first got here I sorted everything by most commented and there was a thread someone made where they were asking if it was a good thing that the site was a massive lefty echo chamber. He got downvoted and anyone in the comments that had even a remotely moderate take was also downvoted.
I’m glad people like you still exist. I fear that the majority of the left just plugs their ears and starts screaming “LALALALA” the moment anyone challenges their view points even slightly. It’s extremely concerning behavior.
Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion
Maybe it’s because their arguments are fucking trash and childlike and there’s not enough bots on Lemmy to land them on the upvoted side of things, even in their own sub.
Most of the users on this website are anything but sane. The grand majority are so disconnected from reality I actually thought it was a joke at first.
I’ve run into maybe 10 users that aren’t completely out of their mind.
I mean the internet invites extremism it seems. I blame the “anonymity” that many feel they can do or say whatever they want. I’m guilty of this at times as well I will say insulting things online that I would never say to someone in person. I try not to do it, but I’m not great about catching myself in the moment.
I have always tried to carry myself in such a manner that if my Internet accounts all somehow got hacked and shown to my parents they wouldnt really be surprised by anything I said.
I feel like most people would be mortified if their family saw their chat logs.
I… What? I’ve been on this app for 2 weeks and I have only run into a small handful of sane level headed moderate-ish people. The grand majority around here are so far off to the left that they can’t even see the center anymore simply due to the curvature of the fuckin planet.
See you’ve been digging through my other comments and leaving your own comments in those other threads. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about lol.
Y’all are just unhinged.
Also I noticed the extreme left bias within like an hour of scrolling around here. I didn’t see even one remotely moderate take in the comments for the first few days. Since then I’ve run into a few others, but every time I see their comments it’s already downvoted a bunch. It does help me identify people who aren’t completely lost to the lefty mind circus though so I guess that’s helpful.
Right wingers regularly drive wedges into communities and weaponize their base to otherwise recruit from, control, or destroy them. You let those people in and they WILL become an imposition. This goes beyond the US.
Iamragesparkle’s barkeep story about Nazi’s was right.
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
right wing idealogy is inherently against the fediverse didnt they put ads in truth.social and it isn’t federated, thats what happens when conservatives find open source tech, they close it off and charge for it after adding ads.
The keyword is viewpoint. The inherent problem with conservatism across the globe, but obviously in the US, is the “viewpoint” is anti-science, anti-common-sense, and at worst disconnected from their policies.
I think there’s a place on social media for people who believe tariffs could, over time and at great expense, bring manufacturing home and that some viewpoints want that. That’s a viewpoint to debate. I do not think there’s a place for people to deny climate change, there is no debate to be had there.
I think there’s a place for people who want to discuss immigration policies and how best to balance the need for immigrants, the want for immigrants, the assimilation of immigrants, and the quantity/quality of immigrants. There’s system design to be had there. I do not think there’s a place for hate speech and dehumanization of immigrants as if they’re bad people (or when they’re used as political weapons like “caravans” in the US or “Sharia law”).
It doesn’t matter if conservatives agree with fixing healthcare or being against the rich, their politicians are only interested in using those as talking points because their allegiance is to their biggest donors which is big healthcare and the rich.
Conservatives across the globe, from everything I’ve seen in my admittedly short lifetime, are either anti-science/progress, pro-hate and emotionbaiting, or obvious liars.
In the US there is no Republican AOC or Bernie Sanders at the national level - who obviously and vocally are fighting for the workers. In Germany (where I am now) it’s the conservative AFD party that is a neo-nazi party and it’s the conservative CDU party that flirts with giving them partial power just to maintain their own power. Side tangent, it’s the libertarian (read conservative-lite) FD party that sabotaged the left leaning coalition just last year.
The people that flirt with destruction and societal regression are the conservatives, so it’s important that if they are allowed on any platform that their viewpoints are moderated. At least until they can stop flirting with fascism and lethal policies like remigration.
like cartel designsted terrorists good, illegals going to be called cartel as an excuse to make them terrorists bad, conservatives miss the 2nd part we can agree on the first part
Old conservatism was people advocating for individual choice and less government intervention.
Misguided, sure, but a healthy check on expanding government into places it didn’t need to be and advocating for the “ideal” capitalism that drives competition and innovation.
For as long as it has existed conservatism has been poisoned by religion of and in the last 50 years it as a party line has descended into incoherence, but it’s interesting to see the best-faith arguments it has as a little contrast to my left wing bubble.
The whole “advocating for individual choice and less government intervention” thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn’t elitist and abhorrent.
Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, “should we be doing this?”, “Should it cost that much?”, “Do we have something that does this already?”.
Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.
The problem is that that’s always been a mask in American conservativism. That’s the politics of George H.W. Bush, but even then he was CIA. Reagan was a result of the religious right and the call to unregulate capitalism. Nixon had a lot going on but was largely elected because the democrats had passed the Civil rights act pissing off the right and started the Vietnam War which pissed off the left, and in a statement that still shocks the party to this day you can’t win by appealing solely to the center. But regardless Nixon famously didn’t believe in a restrained use of government. W had the patriot act and was the pro state implemented torture era of conservativism in America. Eisenhower maybe was like that but he was president in a weird time period and the far right of his time was convinced he was a communist.
I’m firmly a supporter of political pluralism and I think that the conservativism you propose is a wonderful thing. And in the united states it’s a wing of the democratic party represented by folks like the Clintons. As it stands our national politics are particularly out of whack, but the rot is deep. To create a great America we have to think and act differently to strive to create a positive peace, equitable liberty, and shared senses of duty and hope
Im wary of echo chambers and it’s so incredibly easy to find yourself in them nowadays. It’s always good to be around dissenting opinions and have discussions with the other side. Obviously there’s a limit with hostility and all that but assuming civility it is pretty much always better to not be completely surrounded with people that think just like you.
The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.
Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that’s one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That’s why so many kids become more progressive in college - it’s often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don’t look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you’re on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you’re exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don’t need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you’re building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.
You make a good point but I think you are severely underestimating the amount of terminally online people around the country (and world). Obviously if you go outside of your echo chamber you will see other perspectives… I don’t think anyone would question that. The problem is many many people rarely go outside that circle and will in fact actively avoid going outside that circle. And you’re right again that lemmy is diverse in it’s userbase but to say that it’s not very heavily leaning to one side of the political spectrum and liable to become an echo chamber for many is pretty disingenuous imo. I mean just look at this thread.
Now Im not saying you are doomed to become some wacko sycophantic nutjob from an echo chamber. But you will undoubtedly only get certain sides of stories that may very well shape your points of view. It’s just something to be aware of is all.
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t really mind them, for now. They are not that imposing and I like to see the other viewpoint occasionaly, as I don’t use other social networks. Makes me feel like I’m in less of a bubble here.
I’m okay with downvotes.
Homie I have been all over the internet and Lemmy has gotta be the worst lefty bubble/echo chamber I have ever seen.
Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion. If that’s not indictive of a heavy bias left I don’t know what is.
Im a left leaning moderate and I get downvoted constantly because I refuse to parrot the hivemind nonsense 24/7.
When I first got here I sorted everything by most commented and there was a thread someone made where they were asking if it was a good thing that the site was a massive lefty echo chamber. He got downvoted and anyone in the comments that had even a remotely moderate take was also downvoted.
I’m glad people like you still exist. I fear that the majority of the left just plugs their ears and starts screaming “LALALALA” the moment anyone challenges their view points even slightly. It’s extremely concerning behavior.
Please point to the down voted “moderate” comments.
So are mass deportations, Nazis performing Nazi salutes at presidential inaugurations, and Congressmen floating 3 term amendments to the Constitution.
I’d probably be a lot more open to other points of view if they weren’t presented by fascists and fascist enablers (also fascists).
Maybe it’s because their arguments are fucking trash and childlike and there’s not enough bots on Lemmy to land them on the upvoted side of things, even in their own sub.
This sentence is the reason you get downvoted, but it’s not the reason you think.
What’s the reason you think I think it is and what’s the real reason?
You think it’s because you “Do not parrot the hive mind 24/7”
The real reason is because you ironically say things like “hivemind”.
Whatever you wanna call it. Hivemind, same think, group think, bubble, echo chamber and so on.
Whatever term won’t rub y’all the wrong way applies to most of the people on this site.
It’s their exact way of thinking or it’s “go away”.
Requiring Ideological Purity for anyone to join your “side” is not a good thing.
More concerning than the guys doing nazi salutes and calling trans people groomers?
Forgive me if I like having one social media where most users are sane
Most of the users on this website are anything but sane. The grand majority are so disconnected from reality I actually thought it was a joke at first.
I’ve run into maybe 10 users that aren’t completely out of their mind.
Seriously, why are you here at all then? Even 4chan is better than “10 users that aren’t completely out of their mind”.
Mostly because 4chan is all just extremists. I would prefer to occasionally talk to some sane people vs zero sane people.
Grim worldview/situation, tbh.
I mean the internet invites extremism it seems. I blame the “anonymity” that many feel they can do or say whatever they want. I’m guilty of this at times as well I will say insulting things online that I would never say to someone in person. I try not to do it, but I’m not great about catching myself in the moment.
I have always tried to carry myself in such a manner that if my Internet accounts all somehow got hacked and shown to my parents they wouldnt really be surprised by anything I said.
I feel like most people would be mortified if their family saw their chat logs.
Sounds like you like making up numbers and attaching them to things to support your points.
I… What? I’ve been on this app for 2 weeks and I have only run into a small handful of sane level headed moderate-ish people. The grand majority around here are so far off to the left that they can’t even see the center anymore simply due to the curvature of the fuckin planet.
Wow. Sounds like you have an abundance of experience.
See you’ve been digging through my other comments and leaving your own comments in those other threads. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about lol.
Y’all are just unhinged.
Also I noticed the extreme left bias within like an hour of scrolling around here. I didn’t see even one remotely moderate take in the comments for the first few days. Since then I’ve run into a few others, but every time I see their comments it’s already downvoted a bunch. It does help me identify people who aren’t completely lost to the lefty mind circus though so I guess that’s helpful.
How can you look at what is happening in the US and say they are not imposing?
Sorry, I meant they are not imposing here, on Lemmy. They are a minilority that often gets downvoted.
Also I try to not look at the US. It’s always extreme, like watching a bad reality show.
Right wingers regularly drive wedges into communities and weaponize their base to otherwise recruit from, control, or destroy them. You let those people in and they WILL become an imposition. This goes beyond the US.
Iamragesparkle’s barkeep story about Nazi’s was right.
right wing idealogy is inherently against the fediverse didnt they put ads in truth.social and it isn’t federated, thats what happens when conservatives find open source tech, they close it off and charge for it after adding ads.
Agreed. Lemmy feels very homogenous. A few dissenting viewpoints is healthy.
The keyword is viewpoint. The inherent problem with conservatism across the globe, but obviously in the US, is the “viewpoint” is anti-science, anti-common-sense, and at worst disconnected from their policies.
I think there’s a place on social media for people who believe tariffs could, over time and at great expense, bring manufacturing home and that some viewpoints want that. That’s a viewpoint to debate. I do not think there’s a place for people to deny climate change, there is no debate to be had there.
I think there’s a place for people who want to discuss immigration policies and how best to balance the need for immigrants, the want for immigrants, the assimilation of immigrants, and the quantity/quality of immigrants. There’s system design to be had there. I do not think there’s a place for hate speech and dehumanization of immigrants as if they’re bad people (or when they’re used as political weapons like “caravans” in the US or “Sharia law”).
It doesn’t matter if conservatives agree with fixing healthcare or being against the rich, their politicians are only interested in using those as talking points because their allegiance is to their biggest donors which is big healthcare and the rich.
Conservatives across the globe, from everything I’ve seen in my admittedly short lifetime, are either anti-science/progress, pro-hate and emotionbaiting, or obvious liars.
In the US there is no Republican AOC or Bernie Sanders at the national level - who obviously and vocally are fighting for the workers. In Germany (where I am now) it’s the conservative AFD party that is a neo-nazi party and it’s the conservative CDU party that flirts with giving them partial power just to maintain their own power. Side tangent, it’s the libertarian (read conservative-lite) FD party that sabotaged the left leaning coalition just last year.
The people that flirt with destruction and societal regression are the conservatives, so it’s important that if they are allowed on any platform that their viewpoints are moderated. At least until they can stop flirting with fascism and lethal policies like remigration.
Well said
like cartel designsted terrorists good, illegals going to be called cartel as an excuse to make them terrorists bad, conservatives miss the 2nd part we can agree on the first part
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I rarely ever read something so stupid.
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Lol, okay mods. Have fun losing to fascism when the “hardcore liberal” army forms.
There are almost none and this seems to be a popular opinion!
Old conservatism was people advocating for individual choice and less government intervention.
Misguided, sure, but a healthy check on expanding government into places it didn’t need to be and advocating for the “ideal” capitalism that drives competition and innovation.
For as long as it has existed conservatism has been poisoned by religion of and in the last 50 years it as a party line has descended into incoherence, but it’s interesting to see the best-faith arguments it has as a little contrast to my left wing bubble.
Old conservatism was defending the monarchy.
The whole “advocating for individual choice and less government intervention” thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn’t elitist and abhorrent.
Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, “should we be doing this?”, “Should it cost that much?”, “Do we have something that does this already?”.
Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.
The problem is that that’s always been a mask in American conservativism. That’s the politics of George H.W. Bush, but even then he was CIA. Reagan was a result of the religious right and the call to unregulate capitalism. Nixon had a lot going on but was largely elected because the democrats had passed the Civil rights act pissing off the right and started the Vietnam War which pissed off the left, and in a statement that still shocks the party to this day you can’t win by appealing solely to the center. But regardless Nixon famously didn’t believe in a restrained use of government. W had the patriot act and was the pro state implemented torture era of conservativism in America. Eisenhower maybe was like that but he was president in a weird time period and the far right of his time was convinced he was a communist.
I’m firmly a supporter of political pluralism and I think that the conservativism you propose is a wonderful thing. And in the united states it’s a wing of the democratic party represented by folks like the Clintons. As it stands our national politics are particularly out of whack, but the rot is deep. To create a great America we have to think and act differently to strive to create a positive peace, equitable liberty, and shared senses of duty and hope
small c individual conservatives, sure. I count a few as my friends.
Big C Donald Trump, JD Vance, Musk, Bezos, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Theresa May, Marine Le Pen etc? Fuck offff
Also known as aspiring nahtCs
Musk? Aspiring? We’re about 6 years past that point.
Im wary of echo chambers and it’s so incredibly easy to find yourself in them nowadays. It’s always good to be around dissenting opinions and have discussions with the other side. Obviously there’s a limit with hostility and all that but assuming civility it is pretty much always better to not be completely surrounded with people that think just like you.
The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.
Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that’s one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That’s why so many kids become more progressive in college - it’s often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don’t look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you’re on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you’re exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don’t need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you’re building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.
You make a good point but I think you are severely underestimating the amount of terminally online people around the country (and world). Obviously if you go outside of your echo chamber you will see other perspectives… I don’t think anyone would question that. The problem is many many people rarely go outside that circle and will in fact actively avoid going outside that circle. And you’re right again that lemmy is diverse in it’s userbase but to say that it’s not very heavily leaning to one side of the political spectrum and liable to become an echo chamber for many is pretty disingenuous imo. I mean just look at this thread.
Now Im not saying you are doomed to become some wacko sycophantic nutjob from an echo chamber. But you will undoubtedly only get certain sides of stories that may very well shape your points of view. It’s just something to be aware of is all.
Agree they also seem to stay in their dens or get downvoted to oblivion in general threads