• NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 days ago

    these don’t prove that printing money always leads to currency devaluation. that’s a post hoc ergo propter hoc explanation.

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      14 days ago

      Given we have multiple examples of printing money leading to inflation and eventually hyperinflation, and we have 0 examples of printing money not leading to that, it’s reasonable to conclude there is a causative link.

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        14 days ago

        we print money all the time. we are basically swimming in examples of hyperinflation not happening.

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          We see inflation all the time. Every country that ramped up the printing during covid also saw increased inflation. Most countries stop printing before hyperinflation, we can even see in real time with Argentina that stopping the printing slows the inflation.

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            14 days ago

            moving the goal posts: we were discussing hyperinflation, and now you’re saying just inflation.

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              14 days ago

              My original post literally mentioned both, it’s not moving the goal posts at all. Printing money leads to inflation, printing even more leads to the end state of hyperinflation.

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        MMT is the counter example to that, and it’s how all sovereign currency issues work right now.

        In the US, taxes do not fund the government. They haven’t since at least the death of the gold standard. They act as a way to remove currency from circulation. The US just prints money and allows individual banks to print nearly unlimited money. It taxes in order to remove money from circulation and keep inflation at the target, but even then inflation isn’t necessarily connected to the amount of money available, just the perception of money available.

        There’s plenty of ways to use MMT in other ways though, to print more money. If we create a function to invalidate ‘dead’ or noncirculated money, then we can print triple thr amount of money we do without raising the rate of inflation… But that would hurt rich people.

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          MMT is popular among politicians because it makes money seem free, but reality gets in the way when countries increase their printing and inflation goes up.

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            14 days ago

            Except you have the order reversed, especially with recent inflation where inflation happened before the increase in monetary supply.

            More often than not inflation under sovereign monetary issues is solely due to outside forces, not money supply.

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                It certainly did, inflation started right before the lockdowns started in response to the market shock from the rumors, and hasn’t stopped or massively slowed. It was not higher during the various stimulus packages or giveaways.

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        14 days ago

        Have fun buying 6 eggs for $20 under your lover trumps takeover while he actively fucks you and you keep blaming Biden for it. Fuck you’re an idiot

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          Fuck trump. So Biden should have zero responsibility for the current state of the usa? How many years did Democrats hold the presidency in the last 100 years. Think about who your tiny brain won’t allow you to criticize and there is your master. But I’m an idiot. Nice try.

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        Your $200 suddenly being with $100 is going to hurt a lot more than the guy with $200 billion suddenly only being worth $100 billion.

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          But my $100 dollars being worth Zero won’t hurt at bad as the $200 billion. Plus I hear the rich taste delicious.