Amazing episode and superb acting from John Turturro. I audibly gasped a couple times, easily the best new TV I have seen in a while.
Amazing episode and superb acting from John Turturro. I audibly gasped a couple times, easily the best new TV I have seen in a while.
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The way Irv delivered “She’s a fucking mole” is just so good. All the pain of confirming a trusted comrade is a rat, all the pain of telling others, the pain of not being listened to. Peak.
What is up with the fourth appendix though? Is it maybe some sort of way where the innies are being indoctrinated into killing their outie? And they have clones??? Too wild. Love it. Weird about how Marks severance seemed to be back in full force though, and also weird that the outies all went along with the retreat. Maybe next episode will be another one of those where we see the outie perspective at around the same time.
Do you think Irv is gone for good?
There is just something so off and bizarre about this world that they are still not revealing to us and it makes the show so unnerving in the best way. I can’t tell how seriously to take anything about Lumon or the Eagans but obviously they are very powerful; do they run the whole state, the whole country, the whole world? Is this like an alternate history of the US where the Mormons were much more industrious or something? How did the world get to this state?
I was convinced there weren’t any other branches until Milchick says he got an overseas transfer. They are so shady and I love it because it seems the writers actually thought about what is providing the shade, rather than just doing the stupid “mystery box” gimmick like so many others
Imo the eagans history is mormon like fake lore for the benefit of the innies. Milchick said that the waterfall at woe’s hollow was the largest in the world, the innies wouldn’t have any way to know otherwise. It’s a cult at full blast because its members know nothing else
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I hadn’t even considered that Kier and his twin represented the innie-outie relationship. I figured it was just the usual “religion is weird about masturbating” thing. I’ll need to rewatch because that’s a lot to dig into. I’d like to figure out what the “small bride” represents as well.
It does feel like the end goal of the Kier religion is to sever everyone, indoctrinate all innies, then discard the outies and rule as gods.
I don’t think those are supposed to be clones in the episode. When we last see them standing together on the cliff it’s very apparent they are just similar looking people with similar work outfits.
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I looked away when they stood on the cliff! So silly of me. Yeah I don’t really know what to make of the eagan story, but it seems weird it’d just be about masturbation. It seems pretty big to me to say “hey proles who we pacify with mythologising the company founder, just a quick heads-up the founder had a twin! Isn’t that fun? Kind of like how you also have someone else with the same body as you. Anyway don’t masturbate”
I’m very curious about what Milchicks whole deal is. Some people say he’s an innie. I really like how his facade started to crack when confronting Irving. He could no longer keep cool
The innies work hard while the outies partake in frivolities.
That’s probably the metaphor with the masturbation thing.
probably a red herring
dieter eagan is an anagram for ai generated
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Nah no way is Irv gone. He tells Dylan to “hang in there”, and given this poster:
He wants them to OTC him.
I think the “clones” were like visual hallucinations being projected through their chips maybe? They were giving uncanny valley vibes so it was either that or other employees in masks?
And the fourth appendix could be the thing Natalie had Ricken write that they were talking about in episode 3.
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I’m 98% sure Irv has hidden something behind the poster somehow. Oh shit, maybe a map or something to do with the elevator!
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not to metagame things, but I think there’s 0 percent chance Irv is gone for good - he’s not yet transferred ANY of the information he knows to the rest of the gang either inside or outside, so I figure he MUST be coming back at some point. I don’t think we’ll see Innie Irv for a while, but I suspect we’re about to start picking up with Outtie Irv. On top of that, I’m also interested in what actually happens after the episode ends - Irv is being switched off in the middle of the forest, surrounded by the rest of MDR - does his Outtie immediately wake up? Does he go into a coma and then the Outtie wakes at home? In which case, how the fuck would you explain what’s happened, given the Outtie MUST have signed something at some point to allow Lumon to have control over their Innie for at least two days (to allow them to camp over night). I also can’t help but feel like there’s something more to this ORTBO potentially - it feels like this episode ended in a way that I suspect the next episode might pick up IMMEDIATELY where we left off
but also I might be wrong who knows