• Nalivai@lemmy.world
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    You keep yelling at them to do what you want. But if you’re such a formidable power to influence the elections, you could’ve done it already, in a way that was clearly presented to you.
    You didn’t.
    That means that either you overestimate the number of people that think like you, or all of you don’t know or care how to participate in democracy.
    Both of those options mean you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
    That by the way says nothing about the validity of your claims, you could be morally correct and advocate for objectively good things, but if they aren’t getting you in power, it doesn’t matter.

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      you overestimate the number of people that think like you

      It doesn’t matter how people think, left policy is overwhelmingly popular and republican policy is only popular with republicans!

      How the hell are you arguing that the democrats did the right thing, when they lost. They chose policies that they knew would decrease turnout with their base to appeal to “moderate republicans”, and once again, the “moderate republicans” voted for republicans.

      you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.

      We’ve tried every thing in our power to influence the democrats. When we protest, they send police to silence us.

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          I live in SC, my vote had no effect on the outcome of the election. The only possible thing I could do to affect the outcome of the election was telling dems to stop doing things that decreased turnout, such as facilitating genocide and pretending to be powerless, and do things that would increase turnout such as legalizing cannabis, putting Trump in prison, facilitating women’s healthcare.

          Instead the democrats called us antisemites and BlueMAGA dipshits like you assured everyone that the democrats could win by maintaining the course.

          That didn’t happen. You should have been next to us screaming at the democrats to stop driving us over the cliff, but instead you criticize people who were literally powerless to affect the outcome of the election for not being silent as the democrats drove the bus off the cliff.

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            my vote had no effect

            Yeah, but not for the reasons you think. It’s because you deeply don’t understand anything about how US government works and what plays to your elections. Simultaneously you claim that you know what strategy Democratic party should adopt to win.

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            I’m not american but, are the “democrates” and “BlueMaga” (now what the fuck is this??) in the room with us right now? Did you vote, really?

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        You have zero idea how popular progressive ideas among voters, because you motherfuchers don’t vote. Random polls means nothing if they aren’t followed by votes, and they aren’t.
        Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign with an old white dude woth much more conservative platform and they won. That’s also not the whoe story of course, but this explanation fit more precisely than yours.

        We’ve tried every thing in our power

        Oh my. Have you tried voting for the candidate you like? Bernie lost popular vote (I repeat, popular vote) (I repeat again, popular vote) twice when he was nominating. Have you and your hoards of silent majority, tried sending a fucking mail twice in a decade?
        Again, if you all did, that’s an indication that there is not enough of you and US is a conservative shithole where most of the people want monstrous policies.
        If you didn’t, that means you aren’t citizens, and your opinion doesn’t matter for the purposes of the government, you’re children and should be treated as such.
        I don’t know which is worse.

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          Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign

          Biden barely scraped by the skin of his ass, and my experience phone-banking in 2020, half the voters I talked to thought Biden was for free healthcare, cannabis, defunding the police, freeing the ICE camps, and free college because he was the democratic candidate.

          Meanwhile Kamala said the only thing that would be different from Biden’s administration is that she would appoint a republican to the cabinet and ran on building Trump’s wall. The dem messaging went right of 2020 on trans people, crime, foreign policy, economic policy.

          The average voter is very low information when it comes to politics, but they know healthcare is too expensive, they know college is too expensive, they know locking migrants in cages is bad.

          Left policy is popular because it materially improves people’s immediate conditions. It doesn’t matter whether someone has conservative ideas or not when their livelihood depends on a specific policy. When you weaken it or add a bunch of means-testing and complicated rules, your supporters will care less, and your opposition will continue to oppose you.

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        Maybe I’m misreading that link of yours, but it shows that four specific policies have popular support. It certainly doesn’t show that all of the Democrat Party policies have overwhelming support. The recent election proved that about as definitively as is possible in American election history.