I have a lot of very left-leaning friends (although most of them are still liberals, which I am not of course pls believe me) and they’re all heavily anti-China.
Occasionally I push back on this and they always bring up the Uyghur “genocide”. As a German person, I feel insanely uncomfortable claiming that there is not actually a genocide happening. And like, as a matter of fact, I don’t know what the truth, but at the same time I don’t feel comfortable just letting US propaganda go uncontested.
I am compiling my own list of sources but I would greatly appreciate help on this, please give me the clearest sources and arguments you have, because this is an important topic to me.
Just saying “RFA and Adrian Zenz bad” isn’t very convincing, not even to myself, the best I have is the letter by the Muslim nations.
In addition to what others have mentioned, I think if you ask for sources they’re basing their opinions on and point out objective problems with them and associate them with the US media’s atrocity propaganda track record, I don’t really see how it can be seen as anything other than being about media literacy rather than holocaust denial.
Some sources that I think should cover most of the problematic narratives surrounding the issue copied from my response in this thread https://hexbear.net/post/39756
Debunking stuff/illustrating the widespread problematic reporting surrounding this issue:
- one million uyghur claims/Zenz/US-backed NGOs - https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
- forced labor camps/ASPI/Zenz/Falun Gong/US War Machine - https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/
- unreliable witness testimony - narrative changes from “did not personally see violence” and “there was no meat” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-everyone-was-silent-endlessly-mute-former-chinese-re-education/ to “there were all kinds of tortures there” and “meat was served on Fridays, but it was pork” https://www.haaretz.com/amp/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216
- photos/videos that are straight up mislabeled - https://factcheck.afp.com/these-photos-show-protests-istanbul-and-xinjiang-and-migrant-shelter-thailand https://factcheck.afp.com/no-not-video-chinese-soldier-beating-uighur-muslim-having-copy-koran https://factcheck.afp.com/video-shows-police-officer-pinning-down-drunk-chinese-woman-his-knee-hotel-shenzhen https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status/1182726991675625472
- shitty guesswork based off of satellite images/mosques being “destroyed” - https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/the-case-of-the-keriya-aitika-mosque-efa29e456339
- more shitty guesswork based off of satellite images - https://twitter.com/ChengxinPan/status/1310051540397297665
- blatant propaganda witness testimony/Campaign for Uyghurs - “my friends and family are in concentration camps” from a Uyghur activist who worked at a CIA propaganda outlet and fucking Guantanamo Bay during the Bush administration https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/
What is (most likely) actually going on:
- Not genocide - world bank investigation/statement: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
- BBC visitation with heavy editing and mistranslations - https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab
- Unedited visitation to a camp and interviews with Uyghur students there - https://youtu.be/Jp5y9LCZqTA I made a post about it including parts that the translator had left out here https://hexbear.net/post/33959
- All the Muslim countries side with China and even US-aligned Saudi Arabia sided with China since they had sent diplomats to visit Xinjiang and its re-education camps - https://www.economist.com/china/2019/07/27/chinese-actions-in-xinjiang-become-a-matter-of-international-dispute
Just tell them to watch this BBC videos of the cam;ps that are all propaganda enough that theyll believe them but way before the msm tried to spin it as genocide and say theyre bad but theyre not ICE bad
So which parts of this you guys think are not true? This is not genocide genocide obviously (people claim it’s a “cultural” genocide, right?), but it still doesn’t look good.
yeah its still human rights abuses but the scale and the severity are extremely inflated to push cold war bullshit, even France’s program IMO is more fucked up let alone the non-domestic policies that China’s cold war opponents have destroyed the ME with
