I know it’s not the case because the studies basically are for a wider population set than just transgender people… But even if it weren’t, even if it was to create a population of trans mice to use for experiments benefiting trans people; we need it.
People rag on about the possibilities of regret for the transitioned but it is so statistically rare that it really isn’t a huge problem… but one of the actual risks of existing as a trans or intersex person is medicine in general doesn’t test or teach for your population. Trans people are very often given entirely wrong doses of meds because of assumptions about how they should react to them. Rule of thumb is that the adage that for anyone on horomones “trans women are women, trans men are men” is basically the way to go. This is because if you treat an Assigned male at birth person on feminizing estrogen like you would a phenotyical cis man for purposes of dose chances are that you will give them too much. The drugs will linger in the paitents system just like drugs do for cis women and we already know that is a great way to cause unwanted damages to the paitents’ organ function and for desired care outcomes to tank. There are also some meds and health conditions which do have unique presentations in populations with mixed sex characteristics and a more in depth understanding of the nature of sex and the body is how you get cool new things.
There is a largely empty hole in medicine where trans and intersex people are concerned and having an army of “transgender” mice to test against actually would be something of benefit. I know this is a generally unacceptable thing to point out to transphobes however because in a lot of ways they just want being trans to be riskier to force people away from considering being openly trans as a viable option.
My transgender friend calls testosterone his gender fluid and it cracks me up every time.
Gotta keep the transmission lubed up.
Transmission going is better
Remember - these people heard him say “they’re eating the cats and the dogs” and was like “hmm yes, he’s sound of mind”
They’re eating the dooooogsss… They’re eating the cats! They’re… They’re EAtiiiiinnnnNNG the PETsss!
✋👱👌 God i fucking hate the way the fucker speaks… its infuriating…
The rest of the world is laughing at us.
Sometimes, but we honestly don’t laugh as much as we should, since many of us have our own fascism problem. See the rise of AfD in the recent German elections.
You are 100% right.
Have been for a while, but this administration is the point where you’ve crossed the line so many times it’s not funny, just horrifying
As they should be. Only 1/3 of us tried to stop putting the biggest fucking clown in charge again, knowing how awful he was and was planning on being. The rest either gladly voted for it or could t be bothered to care
The US is officially a joke and a failing nation. Even if we somehow managed to get someone like Bernie in in 2028, I don’t see our country ever coming back from this. We were already on our way out, but now we’re going to become a pariah state.
You’re right. The lack of media literacy and feeling of political apathy have totally fucked us. People are so beaten down they can’t even be bothered to try to do the bare minimum to get people who will actually advocate for change into office. Really disheartening to see for those of us who are paying attention and saw all the warning signs coming for years.
The lack of literacy, full stop.
Fair enough. The overlap of illiteracy and critical thinking skills is probably significant.
GOP 2016. We need Trump, the rest of the world is laughing at us!
GOP in 2025. Who cares what anyone lese thinks??
We sure are
So can someone explain this to me? Because I understand the explanation that the experiments were with transgenic mice, and obviously Trump is dumb enough to not know the difference, but then they’ve got this explanation on whitehouse.gov:
I have to swallow down my vomit after reading an official government website use the phrase “fake news losers”, but then it seems to be quoting actual studies and includes things like:
“A Mouse Model to Test the Effects of Gender-affirming Hormone Therapy on HIV Vaccine-induced Immune Responses”
and
Gender-Affirming Testosterone Therapy on Breast Cancer Risk and Treatment Outcomes
Those sound like perfectly valid and worthwhile experiments to me, but they do technically involve mice being given gender-affirming hormones, or as an idiot would say, “transgender mice”.
I just want to be accurate with my criticisms, and I’m not sure the transgenic = transgender explanation is enough.
Gender affirming care isn’t just trans.
Remember when Angelina Jolie got her precancerous boobs whacked off to prevent cancer, then new cancer free ones installed? That back part was GAC.
Viagra, steroids, laser hair removal, gynecomastia removal, testicular implants, hell, even most HRT goes to cis people. All GAC. A long wig for a female cancer patient. Reconstruction surgery for a guy who gets his junk mauled by a pitbull.
Most puberty blockers go to cis children too btw, and have for decades.
Most puberty blockers go to cis children too btw, and have for decades.
…specifically ones with precocious puberty, because hitting puberty at say 4 can have some lifelong detrimental effects.
I believe it, as someone who hit puberty at all.
Gender-affirming care/medication more commonly given to cis people than it is given to trans people. Mostly because the trans* population is in reality very small, it just feels like there is more trans people than there really is because they are hated on so much and so loudly. The biggest problem that that most people don’t recognize cis gender affirming care as “gender affirming”, because the term is applied to heavily to trans* healthcare and not at all used for cis healthcare unless you are in a scientific setting. These types of experiments named here are in reality run for cis people, not trans, because hormones can effect so many things and its not very widely studied how they interact with many medications, like HIV medications.
Hormone therapy is used for a variety of reasons that are not necessarily gender dysphoria. Hormones have a HUGE effect on all aspects of your body and cis or trans* a hormone imbalance can be horrible.
Lots of cismen take testosterone as they get older because as they age their body does not generate as much as it did when they were younger. Insufficient levels of testosterone in men may lead to abnormalities including frailty, accumulation of adipose fat tissue within the body, anxiety and depression, sexual performance issues, and bone loss.
Conversely lots of ciswomen will take estrogen and progesterone to counter the effects of menopause, when their bodies start to produce less hormones. Lack of estrogen for women can lead to many of the menopause symptoms such as irritability, brain fog, hair loss, joint pain, weight gain, bone loss, hot flashes and cold sweats.
Many cancers are also hormone fed, most common would be hormone positive breast cancer. AFAB Breast cancer survivors cannot take estrogen or progesterone hormone therapy like most cis women can because it increases the chances of it feeding the tumor. Testing if they can take testosterone is still very new in the research process, considering they didn’t start doing ANY hormone therapy research until after the turn of the century.
Other examples of cis gender affirming care is hair plugs, breast implants, breast reconstruction after mastectomy, any type of genital reconstruction, gynecomastia treatment for cismen, and so on…
TL:DR These experiments are for cis medical care, not trans. The only reason they were targeted is because of the phase"trans" and the phase “gender affirming”.
You know how the coward insecure snowflake that is elon had a receding hairline and now no longer does? That is gender affirming care.
This article is a good breakdown.
https://www.wcpo.com/transgender-mice-fact-check-trump-2025The transgenic mice thing is for one of the several studies listed which I think we’re justified in highlighting and poking fun of their lack of QA and reading comprehension in these releases since they’re supposed to be representing the US and acting like drunken college students doing their homework the night before it’s due.
The other studies are on the affects of HRT or “gender-affirming therapy” which is used by cis people all the time. Ever heard of a cis man going to get testosterone because he’s concerned about his low T? That’s gender affirming therapy. Most cis people don’t realize how much “trans healthcare” affects them too. Some of this research is specifically on “cross sex” hormones and is probably more directly applicable to the trans community, but it also likely has broader implications on the science of hormones and side effects for everyone regardless of if they’re cis or trans. This is one of several reasons why we say trans rights are human rights.
Edit: I’m listening to AOC talk about that speech, and she is, of course, one million percent right. Not once did he mention Medicaid. They’re bringing up this other bullshit to distract us. They distracted me. If you upvoted my comment in its original form, you were probably distracted, too. We should be focused on what they’re REALLY doing: Gutting Medicaid.
I listened to his address. He listed off some 19 items where they slashed the so-called “waste, fraud, and abuse.” The first thing was like 22 billion and the next eighteen added up to another 2.5 billion. So all in, they saved 24.5 billion.
Trump’s requested 2018 budget (pre-pandemic, pre-inflation spike) was 4.094 trillion. Adjusted for inflation, it’d be 5.247 trillion today, which means they’ve saved basically nothing.
Well, 0.47% to be more precise. Another way of putting it, if the government was spending $100.00 in 2018, now it’s spending $99.53. And if most people saw a thing that costs $99.53, they’re probably gonna tell you, “That thing’s a hundred bucks.”
Meanwhile, a dozen of the bottom shelf eggs I bought this morning cost me six dollars. Four weeks ago, these were $1.89. My favorite brand isn’t even available anymore. Also, the store limits you to two cartons at a time. They do sell packages up to five dozen, though. Those cost $42. And yes, that is a worse deal. Much worse. But if you need 60 eggs at once, that’s probably how you’re go about it.
Not to mention the planes falling out of the sky right now. But at least I still have my freedom, I guess?
Rep. David Schweikert gave a speech on the floor in the beginning of february regarding the federal debt. He pointed out that 52 billion in spending cuts only covers about a week of the borrowing we’re planning to do for the budget.
All these cuts to critical infrastructure and we’re only shaving off the very tip of our federal debt, while adding a mountain more of it.
Fuck Schweikert. He’s almost never voted for more taxes. Just a clown running cover for the destruction of the federal government.
Sure, he’s a scumbag. His math makes sense here, though. You can be right sometimes.
You’re also assuming he was truthing about the savings amount. He wasn’t. lol
A while back he claimed one amount was 8 Billion USD and it turned out to be 8 Million. Their total savings at that point was $6 bn usd after correcting for errors. One Republican Congressman took the time to print out charts about how abso-fucking-lutely nothing that amount was. He then proceeded to vote yea on the tax cuts for the rich later on.
Oh, I absolutely made the assumption in my calculation that he wasn’t lying. He can’t even lie a meaningful amount his administration has supposedly saved.
But you and I both know the dopes who voted for him ate. that. shit. up.
Yeah, absolutely. They would rather be given reason to feel like they’re better than others than live in reality.
What in the actual fuck!! Your store allows TWO cartons of eggs at a time?!?
Moneybags over here can probably bake a cake.
The fuck is the driving factor of egg prices in the us? It is not just a meme?
tl;dr: price gouging sparked by bird flu. Shame their ticker isn’t $SCAM
Bird flu running rampant with little oversight or control of the problem. Or, it is using that as an excuse to constrict supply and make $$$. Take your pick.
Little bit of A, a fuckload of B.
iirc, the Biden admin threatened to step in last time this happened. We all know Trump is gonna do fuck all to alleviate the problem.
Bird flu killing off flocks
But at least I still have my freedom, I guess?
Guess again, shit-butt!
Seems like it’d be a lot cheaper to buy a chicken farm in the long run 😅
Are you sure? I thought a lot of what he listed was actually millions, not billions.
Well, I have a theoretical degree in physics.
that’s fantastic!
Welcome aboard!
theoretical degree in physics or degree in theoretical physics?
The former. The other comment was referencing the video game “Fallout: New Vegas” (in which a character states that that is how he got a job in the USA’s last functional power plant (but has no clue at all and basically admits to the main character that he lied to recruiters).
Yes.
I’ll trade it with a bad poem.
Europe and Asia will gladly absorb the brain drain from the US in the coming years.
Moved to Taiwan during the first Trump presidency. I helped 3 other friends come here. The brain drain has been happening.
You don’t say
Taiwan is a great country. The government prioritizes small businesses. There are big businesses, but the country is setup to handle small local businesses, not big business.
We are still a young democracy (since 1997) so it hasn’t been ruined by lobbyist and big corp.
I heard Paris is lovely in the spring.
honestly so will parts of Africa and, South America
You’d think the republicans would want this. If they can make something transgender, then they can probably also make something not transgender.
The only way to stop a bad guy with transgender research is with a good guy with transgender research
Nobody expects a trans mouse army.
If you go through that route, you will end up supporting science… They’d rather kill themselves first.
An 8 million dollar research program? Wow, that’s so efficient! We should honestly be asking their PIs how to deliver on that kind of budget to learn from them.
And they just announced that they’re going to fund studies trying to link vaccines to autism. Talk about a massive waste of government money….
Damn I literally heard this perfectly in their voices.
But what if they did??? I wouldn’t be such an idiot then, eh? So the only difference is that it was not real? Well so much for the tolerance of the so-called ‘frogs gay-makers’.
Next, Grok has decided to end trans-port, can’t have them boats with all them lgbtqiasgrguch immigrants!!
No wonder why he hates transparency
