Mods
Actions
- Removed posters comments
- Banned posters from community
Mod log
- Original comment that was deleted with reason of “Tankie apologia”.
- When another user comments has suspicions of mods actions, Mod replies with this.
- Poster replies in exasperation explaining perspective, rationale, and offline experiences. Comment gets deleted and purged.
Explanation
The original comment I made was stating that alienation of someone by frustrating their political beliefs is not a way to convince them of anything.
That being their genuine friend goes a long way in helping someone rather then attacking them.
That together they both can work together for a better future.
That you can be annoyed, but that should be swallowed because that is what it means to be part of a community.
You will always be annoyed one way or another in a community, that is the beauty of a community, that there are different people that may annoy you slightly, but working together to still be a community.
The moderator disagrees with this, viewing it as “tankie apologia”.
When I replied, explaining why I made my post and my background, My post was removed and I was banned from the community.
Thank you @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com for reminding me on this missing context: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17251624
In my reply post, I wrote that “advocating for war on any country is not political flavoring”.
That cannot be swallowed, and one should not befriend such a person without sufficient care for ones own wellbeing.
I had wrote explicitly thinking of people who suport Russia against Ukraine, Israel over Palestine, and Assadists etc.
My purged comment also states that “people seeking to punish / attack LGBTQIA+ people is not political flavoring”.
I whole heartingly believe trans rights are human rights.
Free HRT and gender affirming care for all!
To remove an otherwise popular comment advocating for support what I feel are healthy behaviors, then name call someone as a “authoritarian” and a “tankie apologist” is disingenuous and corrupt to me.
Remedy
Personally I would like my comments restored so at least others see a different way of looking at things. I have no qualms with remaining banned.
Perhaps I should have not commented in reply to the mod, but they had already removed my post and I had little to lose.
Otherwise, I am very tired of this on the internet, I am tired of tribalism and the lack of empathy in this world.
What do you all think, should I have even made my original comment if I already knew it would be fruitless?
Hello! I am the mod in question.
Here is the post in question.
This is the post text copy pasted for anyone not wanting to click in and read the post:
Your original comment was in reply to this post. The 196 community has a no tolerance policy for authoritarians (it’s in the sidebar), so whether or not I am power tripping then depends on whether or not it was reasonable of me to read you as a tankie or your comment as apologia.
This is true. I make the same point in another comment. I read your comment as making the same point. My issues with your comment relates to the original post making it clear that their friends supports russia and ccp and their actions, both authoritarian nations which have and are currently committing various atrocities. Please keep in mind that russia is my neighbour, and that I constantly see refugees from Ukraine and I know people who have been killed in the war. I would also like to state that I do not condone similar actions by capitalist nations. I am a socialist myself.
By planting the idea that the post might be bait, and by framing tankies as simply being a different flavor of leftist, you make light of this oppression as simply a “difference of opinion”. In response to this I would say that I also have differences of opinion with fascists, among many other flavors of authoritarians.
This is my reading, and how I still read it. I removed your comment as we don’t like platforming tankie rhetoric, and I sent you the following DM:
You did not respond to this DM, but instead reply in the thread for which you were warned, resulting in your ban. Your reply contained much of the same rhetoric, and specifically mentioned that you want leftists to cooperate with many kinds of marxists, which I read as including leninists and maoists, since that is the context of the post. Why did you not reply to my DM instead? You make it clear here that you specifically wanted to explain your position to me. I read this action as not wanting to speak with me, but instead spread your rhetoric.
Restoring your comments is something I am against, but I am not necessarily against unbanning you.
Before I write anything else, I would like to apologize about not responding to the direct message.
I typically use the Jerboa client and it seems to have failed to bring my attention to your direct message, either on the part of bad user interface or user experience design.
I would like to assure you that if I had seen your direct message, I would have replied to it in a timely fashion and not have written the reply post.
For my part in this I see that I could have clarified what I consider tankie apologia in my DM (as I have now done above), however I still don’t see that your comments were anything but apologia.
It’s true that pushing people away can result in them further cementing their beliefs, but in the case of what should and should not be allowed on 196, we believe that platforming that kind of rhetoric is even more harmful. Again, your original comment was very clear in its message that supporting russia and the ccp is “political flavoring” and that minding this is “squandering over geopolitical matters”.
Your followup comment did not alter my reading of your message, and even if it did it would not warrant restoring your first comment.
I have tried to write in multiple formats and ways, but I feel at the end of the day I cannot in any way make you understand my perspective or empathize with how I see things.
I feel that no matter what I say, I will not be sympathized with or empathized with, as I feel that you have already made up your mind who I am.
Let us keep our judgements, comments, intentions, and understandings to ourselves.
Nothing was gained and nothing was lost.
Goodbye.
It may be just me but after reading your post and most of your comments I still don’t have a clue what is you were trying to say.