Eliott Dumoulin is a journalist who covers Canada for the French newspaper Le Monde. In this article, he tries to explain to readers back home what’s going on.

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      See? it’s entirely different when you call a guy a cunt vs when you call a woman a cunt. Because it’s not gender neutral

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          I’m trying to figure out if I’m having conversations with 14 yr old edgelords. Is his point that derogatory comments to women are cool, or that misogynistic terms are cool regardless who their aimed at? Are racially insensitive terms ok too?

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            Everywhere else in the world with the exception of prudish north america, “Cunt” is just a synonym for asshole; regardless of gender.

            That may not be where the word started, but that’s where it currently is in modern usage.

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            Look, I don’t mean to antagonize you but you’re looking at it in a very American-centric (and quasi-chauvinistic) way.

            In other countries the c-word doesn’t have the same connotation as in the US. You are assuming American culture, and its concepts, are universal. They’re not.

            There’s nothing inherently wrong in the c-word and the n-word, but it’s the context where those words got to be used that made them so repugnant. Since the n-word was mostly a US thing, its taboo meaning passed over to all variants of English. The c-word though, was already used in other variants and didn’t have the same bad connotation it does in the US. So it kept being used in a different way.

            Trying to force the American meaning on other English speakers comes, at best, as ignorant and, at worst, chauvinistic. I don’t think you have bad intentions since you clearly don’t understand how a word can have very different meanings in different cultures. But now you know.

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              I mean, it’s a Canadian sub talking about Canadian politicians. It may be different if we were talking about Aussie politics. I’ve been to Australia, lived in nz for a year, I’ve used the term with buddies pretty often.

              It is different when you’re speaking about a woman in power (awful woman in power) and take all her horrid aspects and boil them down to a demeaning misogynist term. There are a million different insults that can be thrust upon her. Why does it have to be one that means vagina. Whether it’s been appropriated or not by other cultures, here in Canada it is misogynistic and is interpreted so by nearly every woman here

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                I assure you that I’m Canadian and I say Donald Trump is a miserable cunt all the time. Because he is.

                Some people are cunts. Some cunts are men and some cunts are women. Both Pierre Pollievre and Danielle Smith are cunts. They’re miserable people that never say anything positive and seem to derive joy from fucking things up for everyone. They’re miserable cunts.

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                Whether it’s been appropriated or not by other cultures

                Uh? Englishmen appropriated the English language now?

                here in Canada it is misogynistic and is interpreted so by nearly every woman here

                And as such I strongly discourage anyone to use that word in Canada. The thing is, this is not Canada, it’s Lemmy and lots of people commenting here (me included) are not from the Americas. And they were pretty clear in what way they meant it. You don’t have to become comfortable with the word but you must understand it doesn’t mean the same in other places and you have no right to impose on them the meaning it has in your country.

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            now you want to start calling people “edgelords” lol. maybe it’s time to look at your own embarrassing, disgraceful behaviour and consider the possibility that you’re a gigantic flapping twat

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                  Really? You think twat cunt and bitch aren’t misogynistic? Do you use these terms to describe your mother/wife/daughter?

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                    I don’t call my mother/wife/daughter a useless oversensitive dumb ass either, and it has literally nothing to do with avoiding misogyny. I don’t call them that because I love them and also because they aren’t that, very simple. I will call you a useless oversensitive dumb ass though, because that’s how you’re behaving. People who aren’t cunts rarely get called cunts, so a solid tip would be to stop being a cunt.

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        it’s entirely different when you call a guy a cunt vs when you call a woman a cunt

        No it’s not. Maybe to you but that’s more a ‘you’.

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          Gotta say I’m kinda shocked at the amount of people adamant that they’re right to call women cunts. Do you also fight for your right to drop nbombs or other racial slurs, or is it just women were allowed to slander? If cunt and bitch are ok, can we also call them whores and sluts? Is there a line we don’t cross?

          Please explain as it seems I’m too stupid to understand the nuance here

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            It’s just not as deep as you’re making it out to be. He called her a cunt because she is siding with Trump. Her gender has nothing to do with it.

            The focus here is Danielle Smith has refused to condemn Trumps actions, grow up.

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            Is it derogatory or misandry to call a male a prick, knob, cock, or dick? its the same thing as calling a female a cunt.

            People just like to act like special snowflakes. Fuck em all

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            We’re just being egalitarian. Cunt is not gender specific as anyone can be a cunt, even animals. Nbombs and racial slurs aren’t remotely the same so not sure why you’d bring that up. Maybe it is because you are too stupid to understand. I don’t know but the fact that you’re so sensitive about calling a woman a cunt is quite interesting. Bitch, Dick are both the same. I’ll use them how I want to.

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              From American heritage dictionary

              noun The vulva. Used as a disparaging term for a woman. Used as a disparaging term for a person one dislikes or finds extremely disagreeable.

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                Used as a disparaging term for a person one dislikes or finds extremely disagreeable

                For a person. As in, anyone you want. Not just against women.

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                I call my male friends cunt’s from time to time, can’t say I’ve ever used it towards a female. if you really think it’s an insult you should try living in Australia.