I laughed when they showed their game chat mode as some accomplishment. They spent years just making discord…
Another funny moment was when the Civ VII dude said something like “if you already have Civ VII you will be able to play the enhanced switch 2 mode!.. After purchasing the upgrade.”
They’re so unapologetically greedy.
Yeah. Even bethesda just gave you the enchanced skyrim edition for free…
Switch l2
I think Cisco is working to remove the points about uptime and not having lags/crashes
That’s why you don’t buy Cisco
(For anyone who wasn’t alive in the late 90’s or 00’s this is a rapper named Sisqó, famous for his highly intellectual song called “Thong Song”)
We are currently moving away from cisco because they want 12k+ for a new switch. Juniper or HP for us i think.
Why’d you ommit the price of the layer 2 switch? curious
If we’re talking home use, you can buy enterprise switches for less than $100 on the secondary market. I got a 1GB PoE 24 port managed switch for $35.
I believe I found the switch but can’t find the price - IXR-G24044X-24PH
That made me laugh way to hard.
Steam deck is also backwards compatible with nearly all of Nintendo.
Something tells me that the Deck will be compatible with “way more” than old games in the near future… Some times an emulator goes down, and two or more rise up.
We’re lucky Valve has fuck you money for when Nintendo inevitably come after them
Comes after them for what? Selling small computers?
yeah, or infringing on their “patents” lmfao
Remember they got a patent for catching monsters using balls just to start a lawsuit against Palworld, and if my memory doesn’t fail me, they tried to patent some stupidly base mechanic in Zelda TotK (like using local coordinates for constructs).
I’m not sure they wouldn’t try to get a patent for the concept of “handheld gaming console” because they came up with the Game Boy.
I don’t see how Nintendo could go after valve. Valve doesn’t make or distribute the emulator, or the ROMs.
I agree. They could go after windows at that point.
This is probably the only time Nintendo has come out of the gate with superior hardware and I actually don’t give a shit, why on earth would I want to buy a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control and price gouging?
I don’t give a shit how fast the scrreen refreshes or how fancy some of the features, I want a computer that can play games, I don’t want a toy that is purposefully broken so I can’t use it for things I want to use it for, ESPECIALLY if I drop hundreds and hundreds of dollars on it.
Nope.
I understand why you think this, but its kind of wrong. Because Nintendo has had the upper hand with hardware many times.
- SNES was arguably better than Genesis system
- N64 has much more raw power than my favorite system the PS1
- GameCube was stronger than PS2 and Dreamcast
And yes, I’ll just wait and use my steam deck until SD2, because I also just want a computer that I can play games on.
SNES was arguably better than Genesis system
The SNES and Genesis were comparable. You could argue one or the other, but it was a tighter race than the Playstation 3 curb-stomping the Wii.
N64 has much more raw power than my favorite system the PS1
Playstation had CD-ROM, and that’s all that needs to be said about that battle.
GameCube was stronger than PS2 and Dreamcast
Comparing the GameCube with the PS2, it had less VRAM, less RAM, a faster CPU, roughly equiv video processor. I would say they were about equal, and that’s with GameCube coming out two years later.
The PS2 was also the strongest console to ever fight in any sort of console war, with its ridiculously large library of games. PS2 punished Sega so hard they permanent removed themselves out of the race, and Nintendo had to completely change strategies to fill a different niche and audience, which worked with the Wii. However, that came with the dumbing down of hardware that everybody is talking about. They have been pushing shitty outdated hardware ever since.
I stand corrected, I guess I was comparing the gamecube to an xbox, but yeah agreed, I just bought a second steam deck OLED when I already had the LCD model because honestly I think the economy is going to crash hard and it is going to be a long road to affordably getting a gaming device in the US for the foreseeable future.
It is a shitty situation to be in, but I didn’t even hesitate because the current calculus is a no brainer. I have Blender on my Steam Deck and I am using it to create cool visualizations of Lidar data for Geology, Nintendo would respond to a statement like this with something like “yeah, that is cool but it sounds very niche, people don’t need that” and my response is “Fuck you, you haven’t even let people try”.
I heard of another Geologist bringing in their steam deck to present a talk off of it instead of a laptop too, these kinds of interesting unusual use cases aren’t trivial and hyper individual, they represent people developing the future of handheld computers in real time, and Nintendo has completely lost the plot here. The Steam Deck really isn’t a gaming device, it is a gaming device that Trojan Horses you into having an awesome handheld linux computer that can also play your favorite games.
If Nintendo thinks they can compete with the Steam Deck by just selling a better handheld gaming console, they are so fucked… or at the very least they are walking away from what will actually be the next big growth area in computers (that people were SURE AI and VR would be).
Nintendo execs are likely sitting there being like “damn we are going to make so much money selling the best handheld gaming console and completely dominate the handheld gaming console market so we can charge $100 a game” while missing the MUCH LARGER profit opportunity of evolving their handheld console into a handheld computer.
Think about it, Nintendo is in the perfect position to evolve their Switch into more and more of a computer, and it would give them a MASSIVE new horizon of growth opportunities especially since countless kids grow up playing on Switches and already know how to use them inside out… it would help Nintendo protect itself from encroachment by other big tech, and do any number of other longterm things for Nintendo’s growth and profit.
Instead the idiots want to gouge people for more money by squeezing ONLY the gaming potential out of the switch, it is pathetic and I wish legislation around the world didn’t allow massive corporations to behave this foolishly in trying to close down their systems so they don’t accidentally create the “wrong” kind of value or innovation.
This is exactly why I purchased a steam deck. My gaming PC died (RIP to a real one), and I needed something for general use more than I did for gaming.
I need to check the price of broken steam decks, there are so many fun project’s I could do if I had the motherboard or daughter boards in the steam deck, and no I need my current steam deck intact to play on
Ah yes, console released over 30 years ago.
why on earth would I want to buy a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control
from context I think you wanted to write nintendo
Yeah, I was trying to say the switch can be thought of as a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control.
oh! I understand it now, sorry
All this has done is make me want a steam deck even harder.
I have a steam deck oled and love it, but the SOC is slightly old now and was never the fastest. If you’re playing slightly older games or are fine with slightly lower settings, than it’s still great.
SteamOS is great, but I think you can install it on other handhelds as well. It sounds like current competition isn’t great unless you’re willing to pay a bit more and the steam deck 2 isn’t rumored to come out soon, so the steam deck is probably still worth purchasing tho.
Honestly who cares about the power of hardware on a handheld, sadly this is something Ninendo used to understand better than anyone else.
Focus on making the games fun and the hardware capable enough, don’t get lost in the hype of trying to out hardware competitors and pull in customers that way.
Well, they have clearly abandoned that strategy, but I think this was the worst possible situation to do this in because they are going to continue to get destabilized by the Steam Deck just being a Switch that doesn’t try to obsessively control everything you can do on it. It is a waste of money to buy such a closed down device, even if it is more powerful than a Steam Deck.
How powerful is it? Just based on the graphics of what I’d seen I assumed it was around the same.
Anyways, I think the switch can get away with worse hardware as every game is specifically optimized for that exact soc, while the steam deck has to play games optimised for a PS5 or a midrange gaming PC for example.
Yeah, but the Steam Deck also can run indie games, it can run open source games like Beyond All Reason, Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead and Xonotic, it can run Steel Panthers Winspww2 which is an absolutely horrendously old DOS game.
Why do I care if it can’t run the newest AAA game? I know some people do, but to me I already have such a large pc library (of paid and opensource & free games) that the concept of the Steam Deck getting “left behind” by having too outdated hardware doesn’t make sense to me.
Ok, so it has a hard ceiling of the games it can play, new games will continue to come out both above and below that ceiling, and I will continue not to really care about AAA games that don’t bother to optimize well for lower end devices.
At the end of the day, the Steam Deck is a linux computer handheld, there are already people gaming on and using potato-ass linux computers to do useful things that are WAYYYYY shittier than the Steam Deck is, and they are happy. I don’t see myself becoming unhappy with the hardware on the Steam Deck anytime soon.
Years and years? Idk
lol, I switched to a steam deck from using a linux-ified chromebook for travel gaming so I see what you mean
I love it.
I saw Elden Ring worked for Steam Deck, and I either had to buy a new graphics card or get the Deck, and I chose wisely.
Excited for Switch 2 emulation on Steam Deck in a few years
Nintendo games never come down in price either.
BotW is still going for what it did on day one. Even second hand copies go for nearly that.
Although it does mean you can basically rent them for as long as you want for a few dollars if you sell it again afterwards…
Nintendo isn’t getting another penny from me after what they did to the switch emulation projects.
You can still emulate everything. Newest version will work just fine for the indefinite future
Much to Nintendo’s dismay
… what they “momentarily” did to “that” em project, you mean.
I’m done giving money to Nintendo. Their litigious behavior is inexcusable. Just ask the parrot on my shoulder. He’s on the same side as my eye patch.
I love how the price goes up every time someone complains.
It’s over 9000 by now.
That’s too high!
Soon as I heard about the price of games I was out
We have a switch 1 and the game price has been the driving factor preventing us from investing more in the platform. The games are too expensive, go on sale too infrequently and not for low enough prices. Just not the ecosystem for my family right now
Yeah, I have a Switch too but it’s not been turned on in maybe two years, getting a Steam Deck basically retired it
Current plan is to borrow a Switch 2 from a friend in a couple years, to play the games we’re really excited for.
Seeing that the "explore the Switch 2” game wasn’t included with the system just pissed me off. I’m not paying to play an interactive manual.
I’d be completely flabbergasted by anybody who wastes their money on that “game.”
Satoru Iwata is rolling in his grave.
Fr. It’d be a forgettable bit of marketing, a tech demo no one really cares about if they’d included it free. With the price tag it turns from that into an anti consumer insult, a slap to the face to anyone who thinks they’re in this for any reason other than extracting as much money out of their consumers as they can get away with
I wonder if it’s gonna cost more than Deltarune
I wonder how much steam would charge if they did that? Oh they didn’t deck job is free
Even the PS5 did it for free, and that feels like a game more than a demo.
And so is The Lab.
The lab’s a fucking masterpiece. Also, i love the robot dog, reminds me of my own :D
“Mouse mode”
Yeah, the Steam Deck has that. Its called dual touchpads, and unlike the Switch 2 you can easily switch from analog stick to touchpad (they also have more functionality and are actually utilized to their full potential with desktop mode).
PCs literally had “mouse mode” gaming since the 80s. The Amiga/ATARI ST already had them, too.
Consoles have been behind the times for decades.
Given how much better ToTK would’ve been on pc and how that is the reason they killed emulation, I’m pissed at Nintendo.
I think expecting Nintendo do allow people to play their games without being customers is bizarre. I want emulator, I want to be able to pirate whatever I want, but I don’t grt expecting Nintendo to be happy about that arrangement
Piracy is the competition.
Companies that recognize that and improve their products and services in order to compete, results in better products and services as well as an influx of happy customers. See valve and steam.
Companies that don’t improve and instead seek to stiffle competition through dmca and litigation get their products pirated and services ignored. See how nintendo games are the most pirated on any site that shows stats for such things.
For example, Mario 3 is fucking ancient, how many times does nintendo expect me to buy it? They got my money several times over, and now in order to legally play it on a current platform, it’s locked behind a subscription service. No thank you. Besides, I prefer to play platformers with a keyboard. I’d pay for nintendo games again if they let me download to my pc.
Except, what about all the games I bought online for my wiiu and 3ds? Those storefronts are gone, so anything I didn’t already have downloaded is gone. If anything happens to those consoles, the few games I do have on them are gone. (i personally never actually had a 3ds or wiiu, but lots of people did and are in this exact boat). I cannot trust nintendo to preserve my purchases, like I can with any other modern digital storefront.
yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
I think expecting people to buy your specific console to play your games is now bizarre, that because they refuse to play nice they destroyed the ability for humanity to preserve the history of gaming as a whole, and that they deserve to be punished like Ubisoft is for their sins against gaming.
I think expecting Nintendo do allow people to play their games without being customers is bizarre
If they want those customers they can sell their game on a system that can actually handle it
Because you’re presupposing that copyright is right in the first place. Distribution of information has been made free - because of the internet it’s the one thing so far where the Star Trek future has been made reality. But intellectual property laws are designed to create artificial scarcity so that one publisher can monopolize a creative work, to the detriment of everyone else.
Fans of various game franchises are not just consumers, but creators in their own right. You have to remember that this delegitimized practice of “piracy” also results in the entire romhacking community.
The bottom line is that free sharing of information benefits us all and produces a rich commons, but intellectual property plunders that commons and produces centralization of media ownership while stripping away our right to be co-creators.
I bought the first switch thinking I’d play it way more. But those prices that basically never go down, and paying way more for games than I could get them on steam.
Nah. I have a deck and it feels better in my hands, looks better, and I don’t get charged out the ass for games that have been out for near a decade.
Every game I’ve bought for myself on my switch I have instantly regretted not just buying it on PC and streaming to my phone with a controller
Ive had a switch for a few years. I ended up buying a bunch of games I already had on steam, plus Pikmin, breath of the wild, and Mario Kart. I feel like I bought a huge tablet just to play Mario Kart occasionally. I have buyers remorse for sure.
Yea, my biggest reason for buying was hoping for couch coop games to play with my partner. Turns out there aren’t a ton of them and the ones I could find my partner doesn’t care for. sigh
