• BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    What’s bullshit about it? You just say its bullshit but not why.

    That’s why you get called a LIB

    Do you even read the Wikipedia articles you link people to? The Afghans were asking for Soviet aid against insurgents backed by the US. The invasion happened when the USSR feared their allies in Afghanistan were not capable of handling the US supported insurgency that they thought would institute a theocracy there as had happened in Iran. Which is exactly what ended up happening there.

    That’s not what happened during the US invasion of Afghanistan. That invasion was a cover for war profiteeering, mineral extraction, and opiate production. Rhe US extracted value and resources from that region to enrich capitalists in the imperial core. That’s what makes it imperialist.

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      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_

      Soviet period (1979–1989) Edit After a Soviet-backed left-wing government in Afghanistan failed to gain popular support, the Soviets decided to invade. A number of resistance leaders concentrated on increasing opium production in their regions to finance their operations, regardless of its haram Islamic status, in particular Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Mullah Nasim Akhundzada, and Ismat Muslim. The production was doubled to 575 metric tons between 1982 and 1983.[15][16] (At this time the United States was pursuing an “arms-length” supporting strategy of the Mujahideen, the main purpose of which was to cripple the Soviet Union slowly into withdrawal through attrition rather than effect a quick and decisive overthrow.) Hekmatyar, the leading recipient of aid from the CIA and Pakistan, developed at least six heroin refineries in Koh-i-Sultan in southwestern Pakistan, while other warlords were content to sell raw opium. Nasim Akhundzada, who controlled the traditional poppy growing region of northern Helmand, issued quotas for opium production, which he was even rumoured to enforce with torture and extreme violence. To maximise control of trafficking, Nasim maintained an office in Zahidan, Iran.[17]

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      Its bullshit to paint an invasion as aid. This is what imperialist do.

      The soviets invaded afaganistan for the same reasons as the us did later and Briton did before.

      To protect their borders from afar,

      To create and protect trade deal favorable to their country,

      To spread their ideology.

      And by the way I read a book about the history of afaganistan called: Games Without Rules: The Often Interrupted History of Afghanistan.

      It outlined how the three main invasion of Afghanistan all followed the same basic lines, motivations and results. They devastated Afghanistan and created a situation where they would be invaded again.

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        How could the USSR have invaded Afghanistan for the same reason as the US?

        The USSR was there to oppose the US by fighting their proxies and defend the socialists in Afghanistan who supported them during the invasion.

        The US invaded under the War on Terror pretext as a war profiteering entrerprise. They brought Unaco, Haliburton, KBR, PMCs, and other contractors in to extract value from the region to bring profits to the imperial core.

        How are these two things the same?

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          The USSR was there to oppose the US by fighting their proxies and defend the socialists in Afghanistan who supported them during the invasion.

          Yes.

          And also they wanted to protect thier trade and their borders from other imperialsts.

          Why cant it be both?

          Why are you unable to recognize that USSR could invade Afghanistan to protect socialst and to protect trade and secure thier borders?

          Why cant you just admit that the USSR did some unsavory things? Do you think they are a perfect embodiment of communism?

          They assassinated the communist president of Afghanistan before they invaded!

          All othet arguments aside i dont support governments who use assassination that way.

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            The issue is that it isn’t imperialist. You are unable to demarcate between what you consider unsavory actions and imperialism.

            I’m not saying that i agree with all of the USSR’s actions. I never said i was in support of this particular action for that matter. I am saying that the USSR was not imperialist because it did not engage in capitalist extraction or monopolization.