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- cross-posted to:
- usa@midwest.social
The Supreme Court on Thursday said the Trump administration must facilitate the return of a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, rejecting the administration’s emergency appeal.
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This is the one to watch. All of the cases are important, of course, but this one has come to a head. The top layer of the judicial branch has issued an order at odds with the wishes of the Trump administration, and it’s the executive branch’s constitutional responsibility to see that the order is carried out.
This is where we find out if our fascist leader has any guardrails left to protect our democracy or if we truly live in a fascist state where people can be disappeared with complete public awareness at the whim and pleasure of ICE.
No, el Salvador will save trump by losing the prisoner
That’s not a win for Trump that’s a loss.
It’s a win if he says it’s a win. Even if he doesn’t, his remaining supporters will find a way to spin it as a win
Crazy assholes gunna crazy asshole, luckily in this case we didn’t need to give a shit about their perception.
Would you consider that result to be an administration that has deferred to the rule of law? Would that make you feel safer?
Unless it is demonstrated that our legal system still has the power to correct wrongs being done by the administration it doesn’t much matter. “You might be unlawfully abducted and lost before the judiciary can return you” is not a message that resolves this as a demonstration of where the regime’s limits are. They want to strike fear, and “a judge said to bring them back but that didn’t happen” does that just fine.
I’m betting they don’t even get a corpse back.
I’m a betting man too. Has Las Vegas posted the odds yet?
Maybe polymarket will.
From the New York Times article:
The order properly requires the government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador,” the Supreme Court’s ruling said
It’s weird how they put “facilitate” in quotes…
What exactly it means to facilitate is part of what the court is considering. From the Vox article:
The Supreme Court concludes that the lower court’s order “properly requires the Government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador…
But it adds that the “intended scope of the term ‘effectuate’ in the District Court’s order” — to “facilitate and effectuate his return — “is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority.” The word “facilitate” suggests that the government must take what steps it can to make something happen, while the word “effectuate” suggests that it needs to actually make it happen.
Thank you very kindly
Then we need to at least empower that district court to decide what constitutes a successful facilitation? For instance, if we don’t threaten tariffs unless we get the man back, apparently we didn’t even try.
I think that would be beyond the authority of the court, although exactly where the court’s authority ends is unclear. It doesn’t get to dictate foreign policy, so I expect that it can order the executive branch to do things consistent with the current foreign policy towards El Salvador (like asking for him back) but it cannot order the executive branch to dramatically change that foreign policy (by imposing tariffs).
The problem I foresee is that Trump can make an official request but also say that he would be happier if the request was not granted. (Something along the lines of “Please return this horrible criminal, who I never want to have in America again, because the court is ordering me to ask you against my will, and keep in mind that if you say no then I won’t force you to do anything and in fact I’ll like you better,” which I don’t think is much of an exaggeration given Trump’s lack of subtlety.) If El Salvador then does not grant the request, I’m not sure what the court could do.
“Please return this horrible criminal, who I never want to have in America again, because the court is ordering me to ask you against my will, and keep in mind that if you say no then I won’t force you to do anything and in fact I’ll like you better,”
💯000
Yeah it wouldn’t need to be said at all really, the AP headline (ok, article) on the court decision would be sufficient, but
lack of subtlety
Cheers for the double dose of insight
We called but nobody spoke English. What more do you want from us? /s
This administration is busy working on finding ways to deport US citizens. I’m sure they’ll get right on that.
Everybody needs to arm themselves and learn how to shoot. Now. While it’s still possible to. If they’re not gonna follow the Constitution, then you’re no longer guaranteed your day in court to seek justice, so there’s no longer any reason to “come quietly”. If your sentence is to be death anyway, then violent resistance may be the only route to deter cops from continuing to violate their oath and kidnapping/murdering other innocents. Do it for them.
Most cops are like black bears. They’ll rush you and try to intimidate you into doing what they want, but if you make it clear that they’re gonna get hurt or killed if they try, they’ll tuck tail and run. They’re cowards cosplaying as tough guys. Make them ask themselves whether this is worth maybe not getting home to their families over. Give them nightmares. Terrorism is attacking them where they peacefully are; I’m just saying to terrorize from within your own home to scare them off. They might come back with SWAT, but make them burn those resources all the same. They don’t have infinite equipment and enforcers, and they’ll ration it all well before getting low. They’ll have riots to quell, so they can’t put too many resources into every little kidnapping.
As John Lewis said, “Get in good trouble, necessary trouble, and redeem the soul of America.”
Nah man. Guns ain’t it. What we NEED to be doing right now is building community. Find your neighbors who you can trust. Know which ones have tools, which ones have skills, who’s got the space for gardens, who knows about limited resource survival.
In times of crisis and uncertainty, strengthening the fabric of community is what will truly endure. The only thing guns are effective at is further divide and seclusion. They keep you in a state of fear. They give you false security because you can “just kill the guy you don’t trust”; it encourages the exact opposite of trust building.
The power of numbers will get you a lot further than the power of firearms (the ones most folks can get their hands on, anyway).
They all have guns, they WILL use them against you as soon as Trump gives them the ok to do so.
It’s instantly to think you can defend yourself from armed Nazis with community outreach and peaceful protests.If they all have guns then what is the point of arming individually? 1 person with a gun verses several gov agents with guns, the 1 still doesn’t have a chance and shooting 1 or 2 of the people coming for you is t gonna change that. It’s not like the government is gonna back off “Oh shit the liberals got guns now, better stop pushing them.”
Do both. An armed community can defend itself. Protect your neighbors. Fascists will be less likely to use their guns on you if your community has guns to fire back with. Build your community and then be able to defend it.
Birth-2024: fuck guns (outside a skeet shoot range)
2025: fuck how much sense you’re making
I hate it. Zero desire to be the owner of something that can get me sent to jail so easily. Ridiculous how calculuses are changing.
It’s not that I can imagine using a weapon against any living being but I can imagine headlines that may scare me even more without access to something defensive
Off to not buy anything, wish me luck
Damnit
“The order properly requires the Government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador,” the court said in an unsigned order with no noted dissents.
So, still not a “regular court order” in the normal sense we think of it…
SCROTUS is still wary of Mafia Don Mangolini…
Scared that he might just actually willingly defy a “regular court order” setting up a true and very real “constitutional crisis” in the worst possible definition of that phrase…
Cowardly traitors all. On all sides. All 3 branches of so-called government.
Democracy in the US is under siege and barely hanging on…
🙄 🤡 🤦♀️ 🖕 🖕
cant wait til he goes after non-loyalist republicans.
Google Chris Krebs.
There hasn’t been a democracy in the US for a while. You all confused it with oligarchy. That’s when the rich hold all the power. Yes, even if they let you choose the person who’s going to care for the interest of the rich.
A Justice Department lawyer conceded in a court hearing that Abrego Garcia should not have been deported. Attorney General Pam Bondi later removed the lawyer, Erez Reuveni, from the case and placed him on leave.
I.e., Bondi’s DOJ will be suppressing any evidence going forward that the administration deports people who have a lawful right to be here.
