Makes you wonder

He probably has one hell of a story

Actually, in all seriousness, I believe this is the other one? :-P

I think it may have been in the comments where some additional details were presented, as in it being related to a structural defect rather than “user error” or technical upkeep.

It reminds me of the situation with Toyotas where they kept blaming the driver for being heavy footed on the gas, and somehow the floor mats were blamed for killing people, until they found one car at the bottom of a lake… with the floor mats in the trunk (so zero possibility of that being the cause).

Back to Boeings: there were SENIOR pilots WITH SENIORITY (I simply cannot overemphasize just how crucial those words are in the aviation industry, though you likely know: it is simply EVERYTHING) who were walking away, quitting their jobs rather than fly those planes. Who in their right mind would train and work for literally decades, then at the very moment that you achieve your lifelong dream… turn it down and walk away? Them quitting under these conditions was an ENORMOUS wakeup call. And it wasn’t just a handful of them either, but so many that they affected the entire industry having to get by with less capable pilots.

Airlines have been held together with duck tape for something close to a decade now, and as we are seeing, planes are literally falling out of the skies.

… though mostly only outside of the USA, so who cares, amiright?! 🤢🤮(To clarify in case those do not go through, those are the sickness and vomit emojis)

The 777 had the fuel intake from the tanks freeze over on approach to Heathrow. I don’t think that was an obvious problem: the intake was a flat hexagonal structure of smaller inlets that allowed the ice to form over. The fix was to stagger the smaller inlets so ice couldn’t form.

To be honest, at least it’s India, it’s most likely so corrupt it’s impossible to cover up. The media had the passenger list before some of the relatives could be reached, and locals say someone probably slipped like $50 so that some people could learn their family died from the news.

Big corporations enter the chat

beginning to question

Better late than never

You have to be asleep to believe it, as George Carlin said.

And I am beginning to question whether The American Dream was a dream or a mass delusion.

It has always been a delusion. Don’t get me wrong, you can work hard and scrape a living together but you’re not getting rich without a lot of luck and capital backing.

You are just now beginning to question the American dream? No offense, better late than never, but man it’s very very late…

Been saying it for years. The US is a third world country with iPhones.

The American dream was made impossible with the introduction of income tax, although the granting ‘personhood’ to corporations was a contributing factor too.

I never would have interpreted the headline to mean “the same exact plane”?

It’s not the same exact plane, but another article mentions a Boeing employee who did have nightmares about specific planes being sold to Air India. This plane was produced shortly after the time when she was keeping track of those ones:

Cynthia Kitchens, a former quality manager who worked at the Charleston plant between 2009 and 2016, has a binder full of notes, documents and photos from her frustrating years at Boeing, one page of which lists the numbers of the eleven planes delivered between early 2012 and late 2013 whose quality defects most kept her awake at night. Six of them went to Air India, whose purchases were bolstered by billions of dollars in Export-Import Bank loan guarantees. The plane that crashed was delivered in January 2014 from Boeing’s now-defunct assembly line in Everett, Washington, though its mid- and aft- fuselages were produced in Charleston.

Calling it “obviously clickbait” is far stretch. Yeah the sentence can be interpreted as meaning exact plane, but can also refer to the enitre model series. All the stories, and the whistleblower, were warning about explicit systemic issues at the company and with specific models. Therefor its not wrong, and also making a point of the connection seems like important news to me.

So you thought it was the exact same vehicle the whistleblower was talking about? I don’t. Think they would have been blowing the whistle of the problem as a single plane. Obviously they are referring to the model, not the literal flying machine.

It can take years for design flaws to start causing crashes in some cases. The 737 came out in the 1960’s and it wasn’t until the 1990s that the rudder hardover crashes happened

True, but that is what the whistleblower warned. He said the planes would fail randomly after around 10-12 years approximately.

He was a quaility check engineer at the assembly lines (or sth similar) where the workers were forced to assemble too quickly which caused a lot of small foreign bodies (residue) to enter components with wiring that would degrade due to this.

He also said that would degrade those components much faster than expected and told to the airplane operators causing less checks and earlier failure (than was told by Boeing)

Perfect record except the crash…

Defects don’t manifest themselves immediately after they roll off the assembly line. They cause premature systemic failures after a number of years of operations. These aircraft should last 20-30 years before failure.

No I will not give you a source. I think it was a verge article.

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