Welcome to the second week of reading Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue by Leslie Feinberg!

If you’re just getting started, here’s a link to the thread for Chapter 1: https://hexbear.net/post/5178006?scrollToComments=false

We’re only doing one chapter per week and the discussion threads will be left open, so latecomers are still very much welcome to join if interested.

Also, as I mentioned last week. This isn’t just a book for trans people! Cis comrades would get a lot out of this reading/discussion as well, so don’t feel intimidated if you’re not trans and/or new to these topics.

As with last week’s thread, here is a list of resources taken from the previous reading group session:

pdf download
epub download - Huge shout out to comrade @EugeneDebs for putting this together. I realized I didn’t credit them in either post but here it is. I appreciate your efforts. ❤️
chapter 1 audiobook - Huge shout out to comrade @futomes for recording these. No words can truly express my appreciation for this. Thank you so much. ❤️
chapter 2 audiobook
chapter 3 audiobook
chapter 4 audiobook
chapter 5 audiobook
chapter 6 audiobook
chapter 7 audiobook
chapter 8 audiobook

Also here’s another PDF download link and the whole book on ProleWiki.

In this thread we’ll be discussing Chapter 2: Allow Me to Introduce Myself.

CWs: Discussion of transphobia.

This chapter covers a speech Feinberg gave at the 9th annual Texas “T” Party in Richardson, TX, as well as a (very heartwarming imo) “Portrait” section where Linda and Cynthia Phillips (seen in the thumbnail) discuss their relationship and life experience.

I’ll ping whoever has been participating so far, but please let me know if you’d like to be added (or removed).

Feel free to let me know if you have any feedback also. Thanks!

  • buh [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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    29 days ago

    And that is because cross-dressing has always been socially synonymous with gayness. I think this misconception is based on the fact that uni-gender lesbian and gay cross-dressers were socially visible and organized at a time when most bi-gender, heterosexual cross-dressers were isolated or members of “underground” organizations.

    I don’t know if I agree with this, I think it’s more a result of the cishet (comphet?) worldview’s inability to understand that sexuality and gender are separate things, and to instead to view gender in an essentialist way w.r.t sexual activity (you want to be a woman, so that must mean you have an urge to be the woman or “receiver” in sexual relations). You even see it later in Linda’s story, where a doctor assumed she was gay for crossdressing, well before the gay rights movement in the 60s.

    I liked reading the stories of Linda and Cynthia. There were parts I identified with but others I don’t, namely the part about being able to easily socialize with girls lol; I think it’s because I’m one of the ones that Linda described as carrying a constant sense of guilt, which influenced the way I interacted with other girls. I was always more interested in what my girl cousins were doing than the boy cousins, but I felt like I would be unwelcome or intruding among the girls, so instead I would hang out with the boys. Which is unfortunate, because I feel like they could have given me some great tips about dressing goth/alt in a feminine way, but instead I learned a bunch of shit about Bush era pro wrestling, a subject I don’t give a shit about at all cowboy-cri. I guess I’d at least say playing basketball with them was pretty fun even though I suck, and to this day I prefer FPS games to Harvest Moon and such.

    Feinberg earlier made a point that it shouldn’t matter whether a trans person was made that way as a result of nature or nurture, but I think there’s something to be said about whether the sense of guilt some of us internalize comes from nature or nurture. In my case I truly don’t know, I’ve had it for as long as I can remember, and am barely starting to unlearn it.

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        26 days ago

        at least in my (extended) family, I don’t think it was anything forced, it just coincidentally worked out such that most of the guys were interested in stereotypically “guy” stuff, while the girls were the opposite. we would all still talk to each other at times, but when it came to longer hangout sessions, the different groups naturally formed.