There are also never has been a real capitalist country.
There hasn’t been a true communist country because it can’t be done while keeping people free. What happens to those that don’t want to join, I hear you wonder? Maybe ask Russia and China about that. Maybe look up “the chekist”? Or maybe look up “Mass killings under communist regimes” on wikipedia?
All communist countries have been communist countries. They were countries with what communism is in the real world. That theoretic theater play where you call each other comrade is kids playing. Real communism is built with blood.
That doesn’t change the fact that capitalism, right now, is the main cause of global warming, of the plague that are plastics, the cause of overexploitation of resources, of world hunger and human misery.
While you claim that people under communism have suffered, it only lasted during a short historical period. And if you look over time how much suffering and destruction that capitalism has caused globally, it completely dwarfs what happened in communist dictatorships.
My whole point was that under capitalism, if something makes a profit, even killing poeple or the destruction of an entire planet, they’ll do it. Just look at how the US is selling weapons. Just look at how they’re tearing apart environmental protection laws. Look at how the top richest people in this world are only just 1%, yet contribute to the majority of carbon emissions ans trash.
Communist dictatorships aren’t famous for being ecologically friendly, quite the opposite, really. One example that springs to mind is the idiot Chinese dictator that thought that birds ate too many seeds so he just decided that the entire country would dedicate itself to murdering all the birds. When all was said and done, millions of birds were dead, all the insects went nuts on the grain plants and China got itself into a famine that killed millions.
That is a SINGLE example
Capitalism can be really really shitty but it doesn’t even come close to the horrors of communism
Yeah, I know, it’s all whataboutism if you point out that for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that capitalism has caused, communism has caused tens, if not hundreds of millions of deaths
But down to the core,you seem to hate capitalism because of the abusers. I fully agree that these abusers are assholes that should be locked up. But guess what, though? These abusers exist in any and every system out there, including in communism! At least capitalism gives the freedom for us to call these assholes out, a luxury you won’t have under communism as by design it has to curtail freedoms.
So how about you look with an open mind at capitalism and communism (but not too open, don’t let your brain fall out) and try to understand that “capitalism bad, communism good” is just horribly short sighted and naive
Edit: to add to your point of “my point is that under capitalism…”, uneer communism they did the same. You had a richer class and the plebs. The fact that the current 1% is so much richer really shows the success and power of capitalism, people can abuse it harder and leech out more, so they do. How about instead of Communism, we do capitalism with taxes done right? Anyone with a net worth over 10 million has all the excess go to taxes, 100%. You’ll end up with people who are slightly richer or poorer, but nothing excessive. The state receives a shit tonne of money which it can use for a socialist system that protects everyone, free healthcare, free education, free housing, we can even do universal income! Sounds a lot better to me.
No true Scotsman? Really?
There are also never has been a real capitalist country.
There hasn’t been a true communist country because it can’t be done while keeping people free. What happens to those that don’t want to join, I hear you wonder? Maybe ask Russia and China about that. Maybe look up “the chekist”? Or maybe look up “Mass killings under communist regimes” on wikipedia?
All communist countries have been communist countries. They were countries with what communism is in the real world. That theoretic theater play where you call each other comrade is kids playing. Real communism is built with blood.
That doesn’t change the fact that capitalism, right now, is the main cause of global warming, of the plague that are plastics, the cause of overexploitation of resources, of world hunger and human misery.
While you claim that people under communism have suffered, it only lasted during a short historical period. And if you look over time how much suffering and destruction that capitalism has caused globally, it completely dwarfs what happened in communist dictatorships.
My whole point was that under capitalism, if something makes a profit, even killing poeple or the destruction of an entire planet, they’ll do it. Just look at how the US is selling weapons. Just look at how they’re tearing apart environmental protection laws. Look at how the top richest people in this world are only just 1%, yet contribute to the majority of carbon emissions ans trash.
Brother, stop with the communist whataboutism.
You’re kidding, right?
Communist dictatorships aren’t famous for being ecologically friendly, quite the opposite, really. One example that springs to mind is the idiot Chinese dictator that thought that birds ate too many seeds so he just decided that the entire country would dedicate itself to murdering all the birds. When all was said and done, millions of birds were dead, all the insects went nuts on the grain plants and China got itself into a famine that killed millions.
That is a SINGLE example
Capitalism can be really really shitty but it doesn’t even come close to the horrors of communism
And yes, yes… Yes, I know, you will just either deny facts or just claim that millions of dead people is a good thing because of some mental gymnastics, but communism suuuucks. Wanna try https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes?
How about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekism?
Yeah, I know, it’s all whataboutism if you point out that for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that capitalism has caused, communism has caused tens, if not hundreds of millions of deaths
But down to the core,you seem to hate capitalism because of the abusers. I fully agree that these abusers are assholes that should be locked up. But guess what, though? These abusers exist in any and every system out there, including in communism! At least capitalism gives the freedom for us to call these assholes out, a luxury you won’t have under communism as by design it has to curtail freedoms.
So how about you look with an open mind at capitalism and communism (but not too open, don’t let your brain fall out) and try to understand that “capitalism bad, communism good” is just horribly short sighted and naive
Edit: to add to your point of “my point is that under capitalism…”, uneer communism they did the same. You had a richer class and the plebs. The fact that the current 1% is so much richer really shows the success and power of capitalism, people can abuse it harder and leech out more, so they do. How about instead of Communism, we do capitalism with taxes done right? Anyone with a net worth over 10 million has all the excess go to taxes, 100%. You’ll end up with people who are slightly richer or poorer, but nothing excessive. The state receives a shit tonne of money which it can use for a socialist system that protects everyone, free healthcare, free education, free housing, we can even do universal income! Sounds a lot better to me.