Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when there aren’t any alternatives. If all the services are bilking people, then there’s no choice but to stop using an entire type of service. There’s a similar argument in American tipping culture: you can just vote with your wallet by not going out to eat.
But that’s austerity measures and those have been shown definitively to NOT work. People won’t give up most of life’s pleasures and conveniences unless they have to. No one wants to deprive themselves of most of society’s benefits. And they shouldn’t have to. There should be laws regulating how companies charge and introduce fees and what they can charge for to prevent abuse and industry-wide abuse.
Tbf, not everyone has a car. I mean, cooking ramen at home and saving up for a car would be a better use of your money, but then people like whoever replies to this that are ideologically opposed to cars would rather have someone else with a car deliver it so they can disconnect themselves from that reality.
Fwiw I also always pick up, I was a delivery driver for 10yr, I can take one more run (to myself).
“Ramen” while being a specific food is also colloquially used to refer to “inexpensive food” as a package of ramen is about 10 cents. The above comment was not an advertisement for “Maruchan® Brand Instant Ramen Noodles available in many delicious flavours.”
I’ll check when I get to the store today, but “decades” is definitely wrong, unless you mean the 8packs (I was talking about singles). Or you’re getting the yakisobas or cup noods that cost more than the packs, or sapporo ichiban which I have to go to a special store for as it is an import and that is about $1.50 a pack (but that chow mein is worth it, that shit is so good.) Bananas are cool too.
Wait, did I put a gun to your head and force you to eat ramen and I missed it? Tf are we doing here lmao this is the dumbest “debate” I’ve ever had. I’ll say again “the ramen was a metaphor my dude, it ain’t that deep.”
The really good noodles are far more than 10 cents a pack of course, but if you can afford it the dollar-a-pack ones are much better. It’s still a dollar for a meal pretty much, so not bad.
I recommend the Mi Goreng noodles by Indomie if you want really good ones. They make halal ramen in Indonesia that beats everybody else or at least ties evenly with Sapporo Ichiban and Nongshim. You can get a 30-pack for $20 to $30 online
That’s great. My time is worth less than theses crazy prices and I work better if I get something to eat and this is faster than getting the very limited and terrible food at work. Do I feel like the prices are insane? Yep. But it’s a value call and since there isn’t another option that allows for good quality food quickly, they get my money.
This didn’t used to exist and that sucked, so maybe we are just undervaluing how great this is. Would be greater not paying $60 for lunch though, so yeah, I’m gonna keep paying and grumbling about it at the same time. I really hope drone services take off soon and have better pricing.
Using drones would be cheaper, but the delivery companies won’t be passing those savings on to you. They’ve already shown that people are willing to pay the prices they charge now. They’ll just absorb the savings for themselves.
People not ordering food en masse would hurt small businesses the most. Plus there’s a huge benefit to using an app to order food, which is why they’re so popular. If the system were controlled by the restaurants and interoperable via an open API, we’d at least see some transparency.
The problem is exactly what OP stated: These things are owned by a small number of players, who can exercises control of the market from all sides. They’ve created a chokepoint where they can extract rents without needing to provide value in return.
But you can vote with your wallet and not use the third party delivery app. Order from the place directly or call and order for pickup depending on the venue. Almost any resteraunt will let you call and order for pickup (that’s already what Uber/GrubHub/etc. do then charge you the fee for the convenience), and they’ll prefer that over the app because they get 100% of the money you pay for that meal
I get that boycotts don’t work, but who the fuck is still paying double/triple instead of picking it up themselves on their way home or just driving out to get it - I haven’t ordered third party delivery since the pandemic since there’s no way I can justify the stupid high cost.
I recently started delivering with DoorDash to add some cushion to my budget and this week I had someone buy a single two pound bag of spaghetti noodles from Safeway.
I got laid $6.75 for the delivery after tip (DoorDash paid me $4.75 and the customer gave me a $2 tip). The noodles cost 3.84 at Safeway, and $4.18 on the app, and Safeway is a zero dollar delivery fee shopping experience.
As far as I can tell, it cost DoorDash a dollar or two for me to make that delivery, and/or the customer paid a lot more than $6.75 for the noodles for it to make sense for DoorDash to take.
I used to cook literally every day of the week, but then I started clinical rotations and now I’m working 14-16 hour days 6-7 days a week. I’ve entirely stopped cooking for myself, even though it was previously my favorite hobby, because there’s no fucking way I can fit it into my schedule anymore. Anyone who wants to call me lazy can go fuck themselves, and doubly so for anyone who argues it’s my fault for paying exorbitant prices for delivery “because there are alternatives”. I don’t have the luxury of voting with my wallet and it honestly makes me made whenever I complain about unregulated prices and am told I should just not use the service and instead do X, Y, or Z option that isn’t even close to practical for me.
You shouldn’t need to work that much to survive. I used to do it too, but I’ve taken a step back the past few years so I can work less and do the things I enjoy. Sure, I make less money now, but I have time to do things for myself like cook, grow a garden, and walk or bike places instead of driving, which all save me money. I’m much happier these days.
I 100% agree that there are far too many people working the hours I work out of necessity. I also agree that I shouldn’t have to work the hours that I do, but I’m also in a less common situation where I’m working these hours out of (to an extent) my own free will. I’m in my clinical year of vet school right now so I fully knowingly signed up for this ahead of time. I absolutely could get another job somewhere else, that would probably pay just as well with better work life balance, but honestly I love what I do too much.
None of that is to say that the medical field isn’t horribly exploitative and in desperate need of an overhaul. But also I’m not going to be the one to push for that change, or at least not until I’m firmly established in my field. Unfortunately I’ve gotta just go along with it for now if I want to be able to keep doing what I love.
I’m my area the Uber eats prices are higher than if you order in person. An order at my fave dumpling place is 11$ pick up and listed at 14$ on Uber. Add service fee and tip it’s +20$. Paying almost 10$ extra for a meal to take 45 minutes to get to my house cold is not a good deal.
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Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when there aren’t any alternatives. If all the services are bilking people, then there’s no choice but to stop using an entire type of service. There’s a similar argument in American tipping culture: you can just vote with your wallet by not going out to eat.
But that’s austerity measures and those have been shown definitively to NOT work. People won’t give up most of life’s pleasures and conveniences unless they have to. No one wants to deprive themselves of most of society’s benefits. And they shouldn’t have to. There should be laws regulating how companies charge and introduce fees and what they can charge for to prevent abuse and industry-wide abuse.
Yes there is an alternative, you don’t use delivery services. It is just a big dumb waste of money.
I pick up all my own food, have never used any of the 3rd party food delivery ripoffs
Tbf, not everyone has a car. I mean, cooking ramen at home and saving up for a car would be a better use of your money, but then people like whoever replies to this that are ideologically opposed to cars would rather have someone else with a car deliver it so they can disconnect themselves from that reality.
Fwiw I also always pick up, I was a delivery driver for 10yr, I can take one more run (to myself).
If you’re buying ramen you’re wasting your money. Cook food at home with actual food.
I don’t have a car and I cook just fine at home.
Edit. If your only options for food is ordering or ramen… Idk what to tell you. You’re in for a rough life ahead of you.
“Ramen” while being a specific food is also colloquially used to refer to “inexpensive food” as a package of ramen is about 10 cents. The above comment was not an advertisement for “Maruchan® Brand Instant Ramen Noodles available in many delicious flavours.”
And bananas are $10.
Ramen hasn’t been 10 cents in decades.
Maruchan Ramen Chicken, Pack of 24, for $7.36 on Amazon. That’s literally $0.30/pack (or $0.10/oz). https://a.co/d/gr4Ft9F
Just throwing out there that ramen is indeed dirt cheap still.
You’re stuck on details that don’t matter. Ramen is not worth buying no matter how cheap it is.
But whatever. I give up. Be annoying.
I’ll check when I get to the store today, but “decades” is definitely wrong, unless you mean the 8packs (I was talking about singles). Or you’re getting the yakisobas or cup noods that cost more than the packs, or sapporo ichiban which I have to go to a special store for as it is an import and that is about $1.50 a pack (but that chow mein is worth it, that shit is so good.) Bananas are cool too.
Wait, did I put a gun to your head and force you to eat ramen and I missed it? Tf are we doing here lmao this is the dumbest “debate” I’ve ever had. I’ll say again “the ramen was a metaphor my dude, it ain’t that deep.”
The really good noodles are far more than 10 cents a pack of course, but if you can afford it the dollar-a-pack ones are much better. It’s still a dollar for a meal pretty much, so not bad.
I recommend the Mi Goreng noodles by Indomie if you want really good ones. They make halal ramen in Indonesia that beats everybody else or at least ties evenly with Sapporo Ichiban and Nongshim. You can get a 30-pack for $20 to $30 online
It doesn’t matter. You guys are all being idiots and arguing about dumb shit.
If you don’t know how to cook food for yourself I highly recommend learning today. Eggs for example are cheaper and cook in less time than ramen.
They’re around 30 cents. Specific amounts don’t really matter.
I’ve been grocery shopping on a bicycle.
My round trip was 24 miles.
Holy fuck I’m glad I have a car now.
That’s great. My time is worth less than theses crazy prices and I work better if I get something to eat and this is faster than getting the very limited and terrible food at work. Do I feel like the prices are insane? Yep. But it’s a value call and since there isn’t another option that allows for good quality food quickly, they get my money. This didn’t used to exist and that sucked, so maybe we are just undervaluing how great this is. Would be greater not paying $60 for lunch though, so yeah, I’m gonna keep paying and grumbling about it at the same time. I really hope drone services take off soon and have better pricing.
Using drones would be cheaper, but the delivery companies won’t be passing those savings on to you. They’ve already shown that people are willing to pay the prices they charge now. They’ll just absorb the savings for themselves.
How much do you weight sir
What does how much they weigh have to do with literally anything
I’ve never met a skinny person using these delivery craps.
Nobody ever died if they had to wait a bit until their next meal
Chances are if you aren’t in college anymore most people you meet are overweight.
😂 The drones carry the food to the people, not the other way around.
Good for you?
And you think restaurant staff is not exploited?
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People not ordering food en masse would hurt small businesses the most. Plus there’s a huge benefit to using an app to order food, which is why they’re so popular. If the system were controlled by the restaurants and interoperable via an open API, we’d at least see some transparency.
The problem is exactly what OP stated: These things are owned by a small number of players, who can exercises control of the market from all sides. They’ve created a chokepoint where they can extract rents without needing to provide value in return.
But you can vote with your wallet and not use the third party delivery app. Order from the place directly or call and order for pickup depending on the venue. Almost any resteraunt will let you call and order for pickup (that’s already what Uber/GrubHub/etc. do then charge you the fee for the convenience), and they’ll prefer that over the app because they get 100% of the money you pay for that meal
“Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when there aren’t any alternatives.”
Just cook your own food.
I get that boycotts don’t work, but who the fuck is still paying double/triple instead of picking it up themselves on their way home or just driving out to get it - I haven’t ordered third party delivery since the pandemic since there’s no way I can justify the stupid high cost.
I recently started delivering with DoorDash to add some cushion to my budget and this week I had someone buy a single two pound bag of spaghetti noodles from Safeway.
I got laid $6.75 for the delivery after tip (DoorDash paid me $4.75 and the customer gave me a $2 tip). The noodles cost 3.84 at Safeway, and $4.18 on the app, and Safeway is a zero dollar delivery fee shopping experience.
As far as I can tell, it cost DoorDash a dollar or two for me to make that delivery, and/or the customer paid a lot more than $6.75 for the noodles for it to make sense for DoorDash to take.
It was a sort of surreal experience.
Yep, and that’s why my family do not go out to eat anymore. Getting costly.
I would eat out the most when I was pulling 14-16 hour days, and I cook at home the most when I work 8 hour days.
I dont think laziness enters into it
I used to cook literally every day of the week, but then I started clinical rotations and now I’m working 14-16 hour days 6-7 days a week. I’ve entirely stopped cooking for myself, even though it was previously my favorite hobby, because there’s no fucking way I can fit it into my schedule anymore. Anyone who wants to call me lazy can go fuck themselves, and doubly so for anyone who argues it’s my fault for paying exorbitant prices for delivery “because there are alternatives”. I don’t have the luxury of voting with my wallet and it honestly makes me made whenever I complain about unregulated prices and am told I should just not use the service and instead do X, Y, or Z option that isn’t even close to practical for me.
Your situation is all too common.
You shouldn’t need to work that much to survive. I used to do it too, but I’ve taken a step back the past few years so I can work less and do the things I enjoy. Sure, I make less money now, but I have time to do things for myself like cook, grow a garden, and walk or bike places instead of driving, which all save me money. I’m much happier these days.
I 100% agree that there are far too many people working the hours I work out of necessity. I also agree that I shouldn’t have to work the hours that I do, but I’m also in a less common situation where I’m working these hours out of (to an extent) my own free will. I’m in my clinical year of vet school right now so I fully knowingly signed up for this ahead of time. I absolutely could get another job somewhere else, that would probably pay just as well with better work life balance, but honestly I love what I do too much.
None of that is to say that the medical field isn’t horribly exploitative and in desperate need of an overhaul. But also I’m not going to be the one to push for that change, or at least not until I’m firmly established in my field. Unfortunately I’ve gotta just go along with it for now if I want to be able to keep doing what I love.
It does for many people. I know some who work part time and still don’t make food at home. Most notably two of my roommates.
I’m my area the Uber eats prices are higher than if you order in person. An order at my fave dumpling place is 11$ pick up and listed at 14$ on Uber. Add service fee and tip it’s +20$. Paying almost 10$ extra for a meal to take 45 minutes to get to my house cold is not a good deal.
Why would it be a “deal”. It is a luxury service for those who can afford it. Mostly paying for someone else’s labor which isn’t cheap.
It’s not really luxury though - the orders are often wrong, the food is cold, and it is one of the slowest ways of getting food to eat.
Works totally fine here.
Given how delivery drivers are paid I think it’s safe to say most of the cost is not going toward paying for labor.