Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

lea-bounce

    • john_brown [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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      biden-the-thing : “If Israel didn’t exist, we would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests”

      I would burn the quran if it were the national symbol of the Muslim State of Islamriel, etched onto the land and its people like a human made cancer and I wouldn’t lose any sleep over my dad being 1% less safe in the dogshit Islamophobic US or whatever (and I wouldn’t know because all cases of islamophobia would be tied to antiIslamrielism).

      Jews aren’t the only fucking people who were victims of genocide. This isn’t an attempt at holocaust trivialization as it is an attempt to internationalize the understanding of genocide outside of “the holocaust industry” (taken from Norman Finkelstein) that westerners are spoonfed to make them support Israel.

      Cynically if Israel didn’t exist, then the holocaust would be one of those footnote genocides that only loser leftists would care about. That’s how fucking warping Israel is.

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        Jews aren’t the only fucking people who were victims of genocide.

        Jews weren’t even the only victims of the holocaust. Slavs, Romani, Black people, gays, Jehovas witnesses, disabled people…

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          Oh yes, the people who actually became footnotes in the genocide as their rights were stripped away after the West pretended to liberate the camps alongside the USSR.

          I wish white people pretended to fake care about my genocide, I don’t know if it would make a material difference in my life but maybe it’s only the thoughts that count!

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      Yes, burning the star of David evokes the I dustrialised cremation of Jews.

      Unless it’s the pissraeli flag. You are a zionazi shit stain using the holocaust to protect pissrael. Climb into a vat of acid and stay there.