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    If it doesn’t matter anymore then ignore the fascists and tell them no.

    You really like this “comply in advanced out of fear” rhetoric don’t you?

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      It’s not complying if you resign. Difference is whether you’re replaced after refusing to kill people or before - but you’ll be replaced and the next guy will kill people regardless. If you quit before as a high profile individual, you can signal that something is off. If you don’t quit, you may get martyr’d. Which I think most people don’t want, especially anyone with family.

      Worse, an insider reports that the generals were all monitored for signs of discomfort and disapproval during the speech. They’re being watched. Anyone not loyal to Trump first and foremost, is going out. Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever, as terrorists. I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.

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        GTFO with your shameful defeatist rhetoric.

        Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever

        Not. Trump literally has no such power to do anything like this to Americans.

        I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.

        I suspect you are way more afraid of Loserapist Trump than normal Americans who know their rights and can think clearly are. Trump wants you do be afraid. His power depends primarily on you being a spineless coward instead of a proud American who inherited the oldest democracy in the world. You are playing right into his hands.

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          Normal Americans are already being deported. Look at the list of things that make you a terrorist now. Good luck, I’m watching with pop corn because people like you aren’t willing to admit the rule of law is dead.

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          Like I said, these people have families. That specific general said he’s retiring “because of family matters”.

          The fuck kinda father is going to put his own children and (if he has them) grandchildren into danger?

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            The kind of patriots that founded our country. They had families too, and they took dangerous stands so their families wouldn’t have to live under tyranny.

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              Were most of them not regular people? I’m talking about generals, people currently being surveilled for any disloyalty.

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                I’m talking about generals, people currently being surveilled for any disloyalty.

                Did you not know that most American generals in the Revolutionary War including George Washington had prices on their heads for their disloyalty to the king?

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                You think regular people in the rebellion weren’t putting their lives and families at risk? If anything generals actually have an oath to defend the Constitution from tyranny and should be more obligated and dedicated to the cause.

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                  They were, but there’s the question of whether it’s a random peasant or a member of the royal disobeying a direct order. You forget, to Trump it’s personal.

                  The general can still fight on the correct side when it comes to civil war. He’d be a valuable asset. But now he can no longer be coerced into giving orders to murder innocent people and it’s unlikely his family is deported or murdered as retaliation for him sabotaging or refusing an order.

                  If enough experienced people resign, the military will be left incompetent.

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                    The general can still fight on the correct side when it comes to civil war.

                    How. He’s going to get out his little Glock and shoot at policemen?

                    ut now he can no longer be coerced into giving orders to murder innocent people and it’s unlikely his family is deported or murdered as retaliation for him sabotaging or refusing an order.

                    Would you stop with the nonsense? Trump doesn’t have any powers to deport Americans especially family members of the military.

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                    Incompetence never stopped a violent gang from implementing violence. And they’d be just as bereft of competence if the generals were standing up for what was right rather than politely stepping out of the way.