None of them are “perfectly comfortable” when it’s >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don’t understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.
The city I live in I don’t have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting
I’ve never seen that anywhere.
car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy
I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It’s still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that’s completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?
The statistical analysis I’m referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn’t affect how people commute.
This is exactly the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going “see, no one cares about the weather!” is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.
I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they’re outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.
I’m not lying to you…the weather doesn’t matter, your city just isn’t designed to handle it
I don’t believe you. You’ve yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.
All of your points are just “I have never experienced this and I can’t imagine things being like this.” I literally talked about how cities such as mine are built with shade and weather sheltering in mind. You don’t believe that I have a raincoat that works in 40C weather. You seem convinced that videos of people driving and cycling in the same video debunks people cycling in the rain. I don’t really know where else to go from here. You’ve kind of indisputably proved me more right than I ever expected to be when I said “you don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it.”
No, all of my points are “I experience this on a regular basis and you are lying”. All of your points are strawmanning about how raincoats repel water while ignoring that they’re hot as fuck, and how videos of a handful of people riding bikes in the rain in a city with limited car infrastructure disproves that it’s uncomfortable, and you continually ignore mind-numbingly obvious evidence to the contrary.
Shade doesn’t immediately make it not >100F with 90%+ humidity. Removing pavement doesn’t remove all of the heat either, not to mention it turns the ground to mush at the first sign of precipitation. Everyone does not sweat the same. A coat doesn’t suddenly make it warm and cozy when it’s 17F outside. Having to plan your day and your clothing around the weather is going to impact your life. Only being outside for a half an hour doesn’t suddenly mean you’re immune to being impacted by the weather.
There is nowhere to go from here, because you’re obviously not interested in an honest discussion or you would actually engage with my points instead of just repeating the same nonsense over and over.
I’m not lying, I’m describing my life to you. I believe you when you say your car centric city is miserable to walk around in. Why don’t you believe me when I say my walkable city is walkable?
None of them are “perfectly comfortable” when it’s >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don’t understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.
I’ve never seen that anywhere.
I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It’s still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that’s completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?
This is exactly the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going “see, no one cares about the weather!” is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.
I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they’re outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.
I don’t believe you. You’ve yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.
All of your points are just “I have never experienced this and I can’t imagine things being like this.” I literally talked about how cities such as mine are built with shade and weather sheltering in mind. You don’t believe that I have a raincoat that works in 40C weather. You seem convinced that videos of people driving and cycling in the same video debunks people cycling in the rain. I don’t really know where else to go from here. You’ve kind of indisputably proved me more right than I ever expected to be when I said “you don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it.”
No, all of my points are “I experience this on a regular basis and you are lying”. All of your points are strawmanning about how raincoats repel water while ignoring that they’re hot as fuck, and how videos of a handful of people riding bikes in the rain in a city with limited car infrastructure disproves that it’s uncomfortable, and you continually ignore mind-numbingly obvious evidence to the contrary.
Shade doesn’t immediately make it not >100F with 90%+ humidity. Removing pavement doesn’t remove all of the heat either, not to mention it turns the ground to mush at the first sign of precipitation. Everyone does not sweat the same. A coat doesn’t suddenly make it warm and cozy when it’s 17F outside. Having to plan your day and your clothing around the weather is going to impact your life. Only being outside for a half an hour doesn’t suddenly mean you’re immune to being impacted by the weather.
There is nowhere to go from here, because you’re obviously not interested in an honest discussion or you would actually engage with my points instead of just repeating the same nonsense over and over.
I’m not lying, I’m describing my life to you. I believe you when you say your car centric city is miserable to walk around in. Why don’t you believe me when I say my walkable city is walkable?