Turns out when people stop benefiting from society, they don’t care what happens to it.
And no, an oppressive police state who kills anyone who gets too poor or upset is not a “benefit” of that society. And when that’s all the system has left, you can’t blame people for not giving a shit.
More like Democrats see the progressives as the scorpion.
If giving up means you then screw over everyone else that says more about you, than anyone else. It may be reality, but it’s no justification.
Neoliberalism is no where near as popular as it used to be. The neoliberal faction is about as weak as it has ever been since they came to dominate the party back in the 1990’s. It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
I’ve heard this too many times to ever believe mere words from democrats. I’ve seen their actions and those indicate that the party has only changed for the worse.
But the democrats are the ones that have an organization in place in the U.S. that can affect change. Those with more progressive ideals keep stinging them and they sink. As a result we have right wing fascism. Congrats.
What you’re saying only makes sense if you think all leftists refuse to vote, or 100% vote for third parties. This is not even close to reality. Libs love to tell me I’m a Trump supporting liar, but I have voted Democrat my entire adult life, including for Harris and in local piddly elections. Not because I think centrist liberal policies are good but because our broken system forces me to, in the hopes that maybe their platform will grow a spine or a conscious and realize caring for your people is worth more than making a buck.
Other nations with less power and resources than us have figured out how to be progressive, what is our problem? It sure as shit isn’t the people calling for progress.
Its not a matter of 100%. It’s a matter of any. The critical votes have been very close. It’s also if you convince others not to vote or vote 3rd party. So criticizing the democrats has to be done carefully in the right context.
And the trick would be removing money from politics; and removing money controlled bias of mass media.
Oh no those mean leftists they hurt the DNC by… not giving them votes they think they were entitled to…
You need to understand that the leftist protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election. That is a fact, and if you want to live in the same reality as the rest of us, you need to internalize that fact. This was DNC propaganda made to make you hate young people and leftist ideology. It’s time to break that conditioning.
If you would like to be upset about the votes Harris was “owed” then be mad at the white and hispanic boomers that stayed home for Harris after coming out to vote for Biden.
It was literally liberal voters that failed the Democratic party. I’m a leftist and I voted for Kamala but all of us leftist combined on lemmy wasn’t going to make a difference
Not on here it doesn’t seem. On here a liberal to them is chuck Schumer or other neoliberals(neo being the keyword here). They think liberalism is about protecting capital. I would argue that socialism can be very liberal if we’re going with the traditional meaning of the word.
But what really bothers me about it is it feels like a wedge issue created to drive the two groups apart, and it seems to work on people that I KNOW are smarter than that. But I guess we liberals thought that about Maga as well
John Locke was all about private property and individual ownership of the means of production. Liberalism is tied to capitalism from it’s origin.
It’s comparable to AnComs and being in favor of personal liberties, they’re still right wingers at their core.
The warped American notion of liberalism as an analogue for left or progressive is not the norm globally, and certainly not the origin of the word or how we all see it applied in the states.
Liberalism: A Counter History is free on Annie’s Archive, it goes through all the major liberal philosophers and how they defined liberalism when confronted with various contradictions.
It is normally the fascists who claim that everyone they see not as one of them being a lefty, while the subgroups in the group of these "lefties” are more different to each other than they are to some fascist groups
Well, I think, I worded that not so well, but hope you guys still understand.
Tldr:
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector space
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector space
Conway’s Law: The structure of a system reflects the structure of the organization that built it
And Leftists see the Liberals as the scorpion.
Turns out when people stop benefiting from society, they don’t care what happens to it.
And no, an oppressive police state who kills anyone who gets too poor or upset is not a “benefit” of that society. And when that’s all the system has left, you can’t blame people for not giving a shit.
I see them as the frog. The stupid fucking frog that knows the scorpion’s nature but gives him a free ride anyway.
What wasn’t seen before this was the scorpion gave the frog a big tax break and insider trading information.
More like Democrats see the progressives as the scorpion.
If giving up means you then screw over everyone else that says more about you, than anyone else. It may be reality, but it’s no justification.
Yeah, you can try supporting leftists, or you can keep stinging.
Neoliberalism isn’t a popular ideology anymore.
And yet democrats refuse to abandon it.
Neoliberalism is no where near as popular as it used to be. The neoliberal faction is about as weak as it has ever been since they came to dominate the party back in the 1990’s. It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
I’ve heard this too many times to ever believe mere words from democrats. I’ve seen their actions and those indicate that the party has only changed for the worse.
But the democrats are the ones that have an organization in place in the U.S. that can affect change. Those with more progressive ideals keep stinging them and they sink. As a result we have right wing fascism. Congrats.
What you’re saying only makes sense if you think all leftists refuse to vote, or 100% vote for third parties. This is not even close to reality. Libs love to tell me I’m a Trump supporting liar, but I have voted Democrat my entire adult life, including for Harris and in local piddly elections. Not because I think centrist liberal policies are good but because our broken system forces me to, in the hopes that maybe their platform will grow a spine or a conscious and realize caring for your people is worth more than making a buck.
Other nations with less power and resources than us have figured out how to be progressive, what is our problem? It sure as shit isn’t the people calling for progress.
Its not a matter of 100%. It’s a matter of any. The critical votes have been very close. It’s also if you convince others not to vote or vote 3rd party. So criticizing the democrats has to be done carefully in the right context.
And the trick would be removing money from politics; and removing money controlled bias of mass media.
“Oh shit he’s a Harris voter. Okay backup plan, accuse him of undermining voting with no evidence”
Literally every time, man. It’s so predictable.
It’s simple logic. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I just stated my point.
Oh no those mean leftists they hurt the DNC by… not giving them votes they think they were entitled to…
You need to understand that the leftist protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election. That is a fact, and if you want to live in the same reality as the rest of us, you need to internalize that fact. This was DNC propaganda made to make you hate young people and leftist ideology. It’s time to break that conditioning.
If you would like to be upset about the votes Harris was “owed” then be mad at the white and hispanic boomers that stayed home for Harris after coming out to vote for Biden.
It was literally liberal voters that failed the Democratic party. I’m a leftist and I voted for Kamala but all of us leftist combined on lemmy wasn’t going to make a difference
You understand your lack of vote made my death as a trans person orders or magnitude more likely
I voted for Harris you idiot
Let’s all help the fascists and then pretend it’s a moral imperative
Edit: I love the block feature. Tankies can scream into the void all they want.
That’s centrists’ position on Palestine, yes.
EDIT: democrats and ignoring the left. Name a more perfect tautology.
That’s not really a universal truth, Leftists hold a wide range of views on liberalism.
Not on here it doesn’t seem. On here a liberal to them is chuck Schumer or other neoliberals(neo being the keyword here). They think liberalism is about protecting capital. I would argue that socialism can be very liberal if we’re going with the traditional meaning of the word.
But what really bothers me about it is it feels like a wedge issue created to drive the two groups apart, and it seems to work on people that I KNOW are smarter than that. But I guess we liberals thought that about Maga as well
I’d argue you don’t know what Liberalism is.
John Locke was all about private property and individual ownership of the means of production. Liberalism is tied to capitalism from it’s origin.
It’s comparable to AnComs and being in favor of personal liberties, they’re still right wingers at their core.
The warped American notion of liberalism as an analogue for left or progressive is not the norm globally, and certainly not the origin of the word or how we all see it applied in the states.
Liberalism: A Counter History is free on Annie’s Archive, it goes through all the major liberal philosophers and how they defined liberalism when confronted with various contradictions.
It is normally the fascists who claim that everyone they see not as one of them being a lefty, while the subgroups in the group of these "lefties” are more different to each other than they are to some fascist groups
Well, I think, I worded that not so well, but hope you guys still understand.
Tldr:
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector space
Because the right’s base doesn’t understand half of the words you used in describing our predicament
Conway’s Law: The structure of a system reflects the structure of the organization that built it
Have a two-party system, get a two-party model.