Oh so you’re saying the Church’s actions speak louder than the Bible itself?
Also assuming you’re Catholic from your other comments.
So, witch burnings, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, burning Joan of Arc, selling indulgences, fighting tooth and nail against an English translation of the Bible so normal people can actually read it (and burning the translators for good measure), justifying slavery under the guise of “well we’re saving those slaves by forcing then to become Christian”, generations of science denial and suppression, and Indigenous residential schools. My what a great experience you’ve forced onto this world.
Also, if you’re so confident that experiencing God will turn someone Christian, what’s with all the hell stuff you keep pushing? Sure seems like the fear of eternal torture is your bread and butter way of getting people to believe.
I’m not Christian. I was raised culturally Catholic but never practiced or believed in the Christian God. I’ve been excomunicated for a few years too. I have no connection to the Catholic in any form (except maybe some of their money funding some political stuff I do).
The Catholic Church, understood as the community of believers, is an organization going on for thousands of years, in every corner of the world, involving a few billions of humans. Every organization of that size will have stains in its history, especially if you judge them from the perspective of late-stage modernity morals, which the Church deliberately doesn’t participate in. They have their own system, and it clashes with the rationalist mindset because both systems have a claim to universalism, with the Christian universalism creating the modern colonial-scientific universalism. They are two sides of the same coin. I make little distinction between the two, because both eventually lead to oppression. That said, nowadays the Catholic Church is positioning itself as the main leader of the anti-fascist front in the Global North.
Also little historical note: quantitatively, the vast majority of witch burnings were done by protestants, not by catholics
Oh so you’re saying the Church’s actions speak louder than the Bible itself?
Also assuming you’re Catholic from your other comments.
So, witch burnings, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, burning Joan of Arc, selling indulgences, fighting tooth and nail against an English translation of the Bible so normal people can actually read it (and burning the translators for good measure), justifying slavery under the guise of “well we’re saving those slaves by forcing then to become Christian”, generations of science denial and suppression, and Indigenous residential schools. My what a great experience you’ve forced onto this world.
Also, if you’re so confident that experiencing God will turn someone Christian, what’s with all the hell stuff you keep pushing? Sure seems like the fear of eternal torture is your bread and butter way of getting people to believe.
I’m not Christian. I was raised culturally Catholic but never practiced or believed in the Christian God. I’ve been excomunicated for a few years too. I have no connection to the Catholic in any form (except maybe some of their money funding some political stuff I do).
The Catholic Church, understood as the community of believers, is an organization going on for thousands of years, in every corner of the world, involving a few billions of humans. Every organization of that size will have stains in its history, especially if you judge them from the perspective of late-stage modernity morals, which the Church deliberately doesn’t participate in. They have their own system, and it clashes with the rationalist mindset because both systems have a claim to universalism, with the Christian universalism creating the modern colonial-scientific universalism. They are two sides of the same coin. I make little distinction between the two, because both eventually lead to oppression. That said, nowadays the Catholic Church is positioning itself as the main leader of the anti-fascist front in the Global North.
Also little historical note: quantitatively, the vast majority of witch burnings were done by protestants, not by catholics