I’m not saying that he wasn’t killed by the same sword he advocated, but to revel in it? Thats something entirely different. To be clear, I think he was a piece of shit, but making a joke of murder isn’t the way.
You can believe that if you want but I am not a moral objectivist. There is no “way” and I don’t think he deserves our respect even in death. I’m not particularly bothered if it looks bad either.
I don’t know why everyone here thinks I’m defending him or showing him respect in any way. All I’m trying to convey is that is that celebrating violence isn’t the path we should choose.
I wasn’t trying to suggest you were defending him and I apologize if it came off that way. My point was mainly that, while celebrating violence isn’t a good look in polite society, it isn’t morally abjectionable in an objective way and I won’t fault people for it. Just as I wouldn’t criticize a rape victim for celebrating their abusors death. While not as direct or severe as rape (hopefully), many people on this site were victimized by his rhetoric. Even if they weren’t directly, maybe someone they loved was.
To add to this, I also think that the reason so many of us in the west abhor this behavior is because we have state sanctioned and state monopolized violence. It is acceptable to celebrate this violence because it is done under the authority of the state, they are allowed to be violent to us and to foreign peoples and we are allowed to celebrate that. Many of us do because that violence is beneficial to them. People celebrate police and military violence all the time. What’s horrifying, what we are taught to be horrified by, is violence done by us against the interest of the state. This cannot be acceptably celebrated. Maybe we shouldn’t let it be so scary to us. Maybe that mentality is incredibly beneficial to the people who control our lives.
Violence is a tool, it isn’t good or evil. Sometimes violence is deeply liberating and I think it’s okay to celebrate that. Independance days are a very common holiday and many of them were won through violence.
As an aside though, I do condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Not because it was violent and murder but because it was adventurism and deeply irresponsible. Individual acts of violence like this, while gratifying, have proven to be detrimental to liberatory movments.
I’m not saying that he wasn’t killed by the same sword he advocated, but to revel in it? Thats something entirely different. To be clear, I think he was a piece of shit, but making a joke of murder isn’t the way.
You can believe that if you want but I am not a moral objectivist. There is no “way” and I don’t think he deserves our respect even in death. I’m not particularly bothered if it looks bad either.
I don’t know why everyone here thinks I’m defending him or showing him respect in any way. All I’m trying to convey is that is that celebrating violence isn’t the path we should choose.
I wasn’t trying to suggest you were defending him and I apologize if it came off that way. My point was mainly that, while celebrating violence isn’t a good look in polite society, it isn’t morally abjectionable in an objective way and I won’t fault people for it. Just as I wouldn’t criticize a rape victim for celebrating their abusors death. While not as direct or severe as rape (hopefully), many people on this site were victimized by his rhetoric. Even if they weren’t directly, maybe someone they loved was.
To add to this, I also think that the reason so many of us in the west abhor this behavior is because we have state sanctioned and state monopolized violence. It is acceptable to celebrate this violence because it is done under the authority of the state, they are allowed to be violent to us and to foreign peoples and we are allowed to celebrate that. Many of us do because that violence is beneficial to them. People celebrate police and military violence all the time. What’s horrifying, what we are taught to be horrified by, is violence done by us against the interest of the state. This cannot be acceptably celebrated. Maybe we shouldn’t let it be so scary to us. Maybe that mentality is incredibly beneficial to the people who control our lives.
Violence is a tool, it isn’t good or evil. Sometimes violence is deeply liberating and I think it’s okay to celebrate that. Independance days are a very common holiday and many of them were won through violence.
As an aside though, I do condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Not because it was violent and murder but because it was adventurism and deeply irresponsible. Individual acts of violence like this, while gratifying, have proven to be detrimental to liberatory movments.
I hope this helps you understand my perspective