Barely enough time in the day to develop new features? Quit using your “full time job” to post genocide denial and Stalin apologism.

I can’t remember the last time Lemmy added a new feature that actually benefits admins or users. The Piefed devs are constantly coming out with new features, maybe it’s because they don’t waste the whole day banning people for left wing political views like saying genocide is bad.

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    Viewing genocide as bad is not a ‘left wing’ political view… You could be firmly into capitalism and still believe that genocide is bad. You could be fully into communism and think genocide is a stellar way to advance your goals. Socialism is left, in it’s many forms, including things like universal healthcare, education, etc. Communism is extreme left. As long as someone believes that more privatisation or a more open market is the way to solve social issues, they are right of centre regardless of whether they think that slaughtering a group of people bad or not, or think that the environment needs to be protected. ‘Left’ is the economic way in which one goes solving social issues, not just believing genocide is bad or that climate change is an issue to be addressed.

    Use healthcare as an easy example: People of many different political viewpoints can agree that healthcare is important to society as a whole. A left wing approach to this would be to create a universal centrally run healthcare system that treats everyone equitably, accepts that some people will use more benefit than they pay, and others will pay more than they use, but overall society will be healthy and everyone pays less in general as a result and lives in a place where people suffer less and are happier. A right wing approach would be to allow private companies to provide healthcare incentivised by the ability to earn a profit, and let them figure out how to deliver that service, maybe the government steps in to try and regulate different industries, provide tax breaks or investments, or otherwise try and coax them to provide a better service or prevent them from being too greedy.

    Just simply believing in a social cause does not make one ‘left’. It’s all about the implementation of the solution that counts. The Democrats in the US are quite right of centre, and the US has spent generations trying to violently overthrow and prevent social governments from forming and spread their propaganda far and wide that anything left of centre is full blown authoritarian communism.

    Lenin and Stalin were very very left. But they were filthy butchers who went on a slaughtering spree and did much more harm than just their ideology. Viewing genocide as bad as just a ‘left’ wing issue completely dilutes what ‘left’ is. That’s how our political parties keep moving right.

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      You could be fully into communism and think genocide is a stellar way to advance your goals

      Not really. Communism is stateless, and I just can’t see genocide being possible without a state apparatus to back it up. When power is truly in the hands of the people, the people have a moral compass that tells them no to such atrocities. The fact that responsibility was/is so concentrated in the hands of evil men that they could perpetrate genocides is part of why China and the USSR are/were not communist. State socialist at best, state capitalist at worst, and also probably most accurate.

      Lenin […] were very very left

      Valid point.

      Stalin were very very left

      Lies.

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        Fair enough about USSR and China vs Communism, that was a poor example. The point, though, is that social decency doesn’t inherently pick sides. Left leaning ideology tends to favour socially progressive viewpoints, because if the goal is to create an equitable society in one form or another, human rights and other social progress tend to also be be values that are important to people with a left-leaning ideology. Some aspects may be more intertwined than others, but the statement that being opposed to genocide is somehow a left wing only viewpoint is absurd. Most people with a left-of-centre viewpoint likely view genocide as bad, but is in no way a viewpoint exclusive held by people left-of-centre. People can be right-of-centre and compassionate, and view genocide as bad, and not be racist. People can hold a variety of different viewpoints, even conflicting viewpoints, at the same time. But being opposed to genocide or harming people is, or at least should be, just be basics of being a decent human and has nothing really to do with political ideology. Perhaps it’s ‘left’ in the context of neoliberalism being the only option and US politics and their severe polarisation as the reference. But in general, it’s not really an inherently ‘left’ viewpoint.

        In Canada, many people would consider the Liberals to be right-of-centre, even more so with Carney as PM, and the NDP to be left-of-centre, but yet both can be opposed to genocide. Many Conservatives voters are, also, opposed to genocide despite leaning right in many ways. Being anti-genocide is not, however, a viewpoint commonly held by fascists through history and the present time. But that’s generally viewed as extreme right, and in no way centrist or just right-of-centre.

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          The way I see it, genocide is exclusively advocated by fascistic authoritarians, and fascistic authoritarians are extreme right wing, so being against genocide is a left (of fascism) wing viewpoint. Directions are all relative, there is no political center. But on each issue there are sides in different directions. There’s left wing and right wing in regards to capitalism, left wing and right wing in regards to gender, and left wing and right wing in regards to genocide. On the issue of genocide I’m on the same side as 90% of the world, and tankies are over on the other side with Nazis, Taliban, and JK Rowling. Those are the left and right sides, respectively.

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            That’s valid. I suppose I would tend to use the terminology that left and right relate only to capitalism, etc, and would use progressive or conservative to refer to non-economic and things that shouldn’t be political, like gender or genocide. Lately I’d just use ‘shit-person’ instead of conservative given… the obvious I assume. But it’s good to know that terminology is changing. We can certainly agree that tankies, nazis, rowling, hateful people, and genocide all suck.

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      Have you — and I mean this sincerely — ever read a book before?

      The things you’re saying are so wildly misinformed I wouldn’t even know where to begin if I was tasked with unfucking your brain. It’s like you read a post in a political compass subreddit and that became your entire worldview.

      Metaphorically-speaking, may the gods have mercy on your soul.