Like what else could they be…? Burger land has a lot to answer for

    • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      3 days ago

      Given that the EPA is now apparently rubber stamping whatever pesticides come across their desk, there is still a health argument, but when it comes to environmental sustainability, nitrogen is an elephant in the room. Crop productivity is as high as it is because of Haber-Bosch nitrogen, and if you remove that as a possible input, your options are:

      • Haber-Bosch nitrogen obtained by first feeding it to animals in the form of conventionally grown crops and then applied as manure or meat, blood, and bone meal
      • Naturally fixed nitrogen as concentrated in fish or pasture-raised chickens or cattle
      • Mined nitrates (naturally mined minerals qualify as organic)
      • A mysterious fourth thing (on farm nitrogen management with legumes, but that’s a supplement and not sufficient to produce high yields)

      I think there’s a case for a sensible system that combines synthetic nitrogen fertilizers with smarter soil organic matter management practices and IPM that doesn’t rely on pesticides as a first resort, but such a system would still be less productive (in terms of gross output) and more complex than commercial farming, so there needs to be a market for it. “We didn’t completely throw the baby out with the bathwater” farming.

      • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Hey now, recycling might help the environment a little if it were, you know… something that actually was real.

        As it stands most western “recycling” involves plucking out the metals, actually recycling the 100% pure paper waste from offices, and sending virtually everything else overseas to set on fire. It’s a very cool system.