• bluGill@fedia.io
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    10 days ago

    The first transit project you build anywhere will fail. I don’t care where you are, the first one will fail because it can’t get enough people where they want to go. You somehow need to invest in a second and third - knowing they will also fail (though not by as much, before the fourth you finally can get enough people places they want to be that the whole turns from a failure to a marginal success.

    Meanwhile we have roads everywhere so one more road will get more people where they want to go.

    The real question is how can we get not just the first transit project, but all the way to the 5th before people start asking if the investment was worth it.

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      10 days ago

      Make the first one faster and cheaper alternative to a congested route and I don’t see how it fails. I think the perceived failures are when they measure “success” by fare revenue or something stupid like that. benefits are way more diffuse.

      But if the existing routes are not congested, then it’s going to be hard to offer massive time savings.

      Even in the early (private, not really ‘networked’) days of london commuter rtooailways , the ones that ‘failed’ were mostly after trams and (motorised) buses came along and undercut them and offered a cheaper more convenient service. But generally speaking most of them , including the first ones (metro, district, casl etc) are more or less still operating today in one form or another. Of course the trams and buses got fucked by cars in the 60s, so that brought the trains back into it. And the trains and trams and autobusses also drove out the horse drawn buses before that…

      I guess everything fails when the most efficient technology moves on. I’m sure the hyperloop will be killing off underground electric railways any time now.

      I think anywhere you get enough density in people and activity then its hard to fail at public transport, apart from just not trying or not trying hard enough; political failures not technological ones. Low density housing and long commutes though, that’s a harder problem though.

  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.net
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    11 days ago

    Most people live close enough to work to not need high speed rail to commute. It should have shown Chinas new metros instead.