• tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org
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    20 hours ago

    This is very bad but, unfortunately, not new. We have seen this for some time.

    The worst thing in this context likely is that Europe might still be better than other large polluters, especially the U.S., Russia, and China, the world’s largest polluter.

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    21 hours ago

    Good, cause I will survive on a 3°C warmer planet but not in a wrecked economy.

    Nobody is denying climate change, but open your eyes. Europe and the small countries won’t change anything, even with zero emissions.

    Most climate models are unreliable and exaggerate warming, most climate policies are too expensive, most arguments are fear based communication.

    If someone tells me they are afraid of the Gulf Stream slowing down so fast that it will bring us in an ice age I quit talking. Most climate models added “water” from other oceans in the system and yeah, it slows down.

    EU’s concerns should be more russia focused, leaders pumping money they dont have from their citizens to ukraine, migrating every human to the EU without checking who they are.

    And if you say this, you are a racist. We all know that 90% of the refugees coming are good people and need help. But you cant let 100% in cause of the 10% terrorists. Keep the good and people in need, get rid of the idi.ots. But now I am a racist for saying that.

    Next problem EU will have with America shutting down Venezuelan Drug exports will be fentanyl. They are taking down the citizins with poison and will watch, let them in.

    This is the whole issue with letting everyone in without checking who they are. I don’t open my door and let everyone in.

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      20 hours ago

      The problem is that a warmer planet will inevitably wreck the economy. There will be even more climate refugees, there will be war, there will be droughts and hunger. It is not about the days being slightly warmer.

      It is about investing NOW so that we don’t need to pay tenfold in a few years.

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        19 hours ago

        Exactly, we all know that.

        Politicians have 1 job: Choosing climate actions that protect economic stability instead of undermining it.

        Haven’t seen anything so far. It’s mostly just throwing the economics out the window for climate actions that are valid. But you can’t throw away a functioning economy just for climate actions even if they are good.

        You are correct, and again we all know it: ignoring climate risks will likely make future economic and migration crises worse. But throwing your economy away just for reducing climate risks will make all crises worse too.

        Climate risk is REAL but not as horrible as media and some make it. A damaged economy will break the EU faster, + migration won’t stop cause we will be migrating elsewhere if possible (Singapore, USA,…) if we can.

        People like to make this a black and white topic, in reality economics > climate in the end.

        We practise this in our everyday life too: save yourself, then the rest. You can’t save the world if you destroy your own (economics). And with strong econmic you can advance to more climate friendly technology.

        The tough reality is: get use to a 3°C world. It’s coming anyways, no matter if US and EU go emission neutral and back up with a strong economy.