Ehh… While I haven’t read the books, the GoT universe strikes me as one of those with quite the variety of powers. After all, the White Walkers are their own power, one that supposedly is greater than the flame. The faceless men are also supernatural in ability.
There are quite a large variety of magics also demonstrated. Natural magics like the stone curse, too. Brand’s power literally transcends time. etc, etc.
The whole universe is very clearly way, way deeper than the show mostly ever hinted at, especially near the end when the tv show became trash.
You’re correct. Book Melisandre had been using chemistry to perform magic tricks, as was the normal practice in a world where magic had ceased to work and was starting to be considered mythological. She’s as surprised as anyone when suddenly her spells start having a bit of kick behind them not explainable by anything other than actual magic.
Where the books end, a character is joining an ancient order of mages, and new recruits are sent into a dark room to light a candle made of obsidian. The task is understood to be an exercise in recognizing one’s limits. Magic is not real; we cannot do the impossible. But it’s heavily implied to the reader that lighting this candle was the bare minimum magical skill required at the time of the order’s founding, and that this character will in fact light it.
We don’t know where magic comes from, but we do know that it waxes and wanes in sort of meta-seasons. Is it related to other celestial bodies maybe? There seems to be a heavy focus on a cyclical nature of time rather than linear, and gods seem so far to be social constructs corresponding to phenomena, ideals, and powerful people.
The sudden rapid deterioration of the mental faculties of khaleesi from protector to tormentor, despite expected and signposted was a massive personality shift for her character.
It went from being a show about interpersonal dynamics and political machinations to a link of rash set pieces.
All the build up of character motivations was abandoned. All the intrigue about secondary characters was abandoned in favour of outcome for main characters. Subplots built up over multiple seasons were just forgotten in the same vein. It was just all rushed and directionless, compared to the slow burn, character building and planned intrigue from the first five seasons.
Everything you saw of her was not rapid. They told you she was crazy and would kill everyone from the beginning. I’m talking from Season 1 and 2 when she was sold into sexual slavery.
You’re repeating things you heard on Reddit and failed to say anything original in your answer.
No, she was 2/10 crazy for most of the series, with lots of references to her mad family. Then once or twice she went 4 or 5 out of 10 vindictive against people who the audience didn’t feel sympathy for. Then she jumped to 8/10 crazy and the following week she’s genociding kings landing.
It wasn’t gradual, it was signposted, but a sudden character shift.
The showrunners wanted to leave fast to go work for Disney. That’s why they rushed when HBO told them that if they needed two more seasons there was no problem at all.
I saw the series and I read the books. The Daeneris personality evolution was obviously planned from the beginning, but in the series, it was not well executed and it felt sudden.
I think a lot of people wanted to look past her behaviors throughout the series because she felt like the heroine to them.
She was cruel the entire way but because viewers refused to recognize acknowledge it, they felt betrayed when she committed evil from which no one could look away. It was sudden to them but from the character’s point of view it was normal behavior.
I agree that the episodes of the final seasons needed more time to breathe and the show could have used another season to wrap things up.
The same conclusion can have very, very different quality of paths used to get there. The fact you do not understand even that most basic fact of reality let alone writing is … very sad.
Crapshoot is referencing the dice game of craps, as in, “it’s a roll of the dice”, so the outcome is left to chance. There’s nothing to say the Lord of Light is actually the one responsible for her powers, or that said powers even come from a deity, hence, an outcome of chance.
I don’t know. I stopped reading the books partway through Book 4 and stopped watching the show after Season 3ish(?). I just got bored with the premise of the whole story boiling down to political intrigue without a satisfying progression of the characters and plolines I personally enjoyed. I didn’t want to slog through hours and hours of reading to only get a sprinkling of the action I craved on top of the chapters of scheming and plotting. It just got stale for me.
I mean, thats quite the crapshoot otherwise
Ehh… While I haven’t read the books, the GoT universe strikes me as one of those with quite the variety of powers. After all, the White Walkers are their own power, one that supposedly is greater than the flame. The faceless men are also supernatural in ability.
There are quite a large variety of magics also demonstrated. Natural magics like the stone curse, too. Brand’s power literally transcends time. etc, etc.
The whole universe is very clearly way, way deeper than the show mostly ever hinted at, especially near the end when the tv show became trash.
You’re correct. Book Melisandre had been using chemistry to perform magic tricks, as was the normal practice in a world where magic had ceased to work and was starting to be considered mythological. She’s as surprised as anyone when suddenly her spells start having a bit of kick behind them not explainable by anything other than actual magic.
Where the books end, a character is joining an ancient order of mages, and new recruits are sent into a dark room to light a candle made of obsidian. The task is understood to be an exercise in recognizing one’s limits. Magic is not real; we cannot do the impossible. But it’s heavily implied to the reader that lighting this candle was the bare minimum magical skill required at the time of the order’s founding, and that this character will in fact light it.
We don’t know where magic comes from, but we do know that it waxes and wanes in sort of meta-seasons. Is it related to other celestial bodies maybe? There seems to be a heavy focus on a cyclical nature of time rather than linear, and gods seem so far to be social constructs corresponding to phenomena, ideals, and powerful people.
Without quoting something you read on Reddit or a YouTube comment section, can you tell us why you think the ending of the tv show was trash?
I was there watching it.
Ok, so perhaps you can answer the question for him.
I’m going to answer for both of them: I wasn’t entertained and it felt rushed.
The sudden rapid deterioration of the mental faculties of khaleesi from protector to tormentor, despite expected and signposted was a massive personality shift for her character. It went from being a show about interpersonal dynamics and political machinations to a link of rash set pieces. All the build up of character motivations was abandoned. All the intrigue about secondary characters was abandoned in favour of outcome for main characters. Subplots built up over multiple seasons were just forgotten in the same vein. It was just all rushed and directionless, compared to the slow burn, character building and planned intrigue from the first five seasons.
Everything you saw of her was not rapid. They told you she was crazy and would kill everyone from the beginning. I’m talking from Season 1 and 2 when she was sold into sexual slavery.
You’re repeating things you heard on Reddit and failed to say anything original in your answer.
Goodbye.
“Your opinion is shared by other people and thus wrong” is certainly a take.
“You don’t have an opinion because you’re parroting the bad opinions of others.”
And you’re basing that assessment on the fact that you’ve read these opinions from other people before.
How about you attack the actual argument instead?
They can’t. Final season was flaming dog shit. Stfu Jumbie
No, she was 2/10 crazy for most of the series, with lots of references to her mad family. Then once or twice she went 4 or 5 out of 10 vindictive against people who the audience didn’t feel sympathy for. Then she jumped to 8/10 crazy and the following week she’s genociding kings landing. It wasn’t gradual, it was signposted, but a sudden character shift.
The showrunners wanted to leave fast to go work for Disney. That’s why they rushed when HBO told them that if they needed two more seasons there was no problem at all.
I saw the series and I read the books. The Daeneris personality evolution was obviously planned from the beginning, but in the series, it was not well executed and it felt sudden.
There. An actual answer. Thank you.
I think a lot of people wanted to look past her behaviors throughout the series because she felt like the heroine to them.
She was cruel the entire way but because viewers refused to
recognizeacknowledge it, they felt betrayed when she committed evil from which no one could look away. It was sudden to them but from the character’s point of view it was normal behavior.I agree that the episodes of the final seasons needed more time to breathe and the show could have used another season to wrap things up.
lol joke of a person…
The same conclusion can have very, very different quality of paths used to get there. The fact you do not understand even that most basic fact of reality let alone writing is … very sad.
Sad that you’ve decided to ignore everything said one he subject to get to the same silly conclusion.
Your anger is funny.
Sorry, how is that a “crapshoot”? I’m not a native speaker so maybe I’m missing some nuance here?
Crapshoot is referencing the dice game of craps, as in, “it’s a roll of the dice”, so the outcome is left to chance. There’s nothing to say the Lord of Light is actually the one responsible for her powers, or that said powers even come from a deity, hence, an outcome of chance.
Thank you, so I didn’t misunderstand that part, at least. Now I’m wondering why OP seems to disapprove of this.
I don’t know. I stopped reading the books partway through Book 4 and stopped watching the show after Season 3ish(?). I just got bored with the premise of the whole story boiling down to political intrigue without a satisfying progression of the characters and plolines I personally enjoyed. I didn’t want to slog through hours and hours of reading to only get a sprinkling of the action I craved on top of the chapters of scheming and plotting. It just got stale for me.