• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

    Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning.

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      we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning

      do you have any evidence for this?

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        Mamdani’s a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.

        Decisively in all cases.

        That last one shows the centrist “we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts” line to be so much bullshit.

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          that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party.

          see schumer’s mission statement of protecting isreal at all costs to understand where the democratic party leadership’s heads are at despite bernie actually having a say in it.

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            that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party.

            Not yet, no. But there haven’t been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.

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              6 hours ago

              The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.

              this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.

              why would it be different now?

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                5 hours ago

                this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.

                Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning.

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                  some progressives have always broken through; that’s why we have bernie, aoc, omar, pressley, etc. and those numbers already outmatch the few recent victories that progressives have enjoyed.

                  to be fair: i hope that you’re right, but i doubt it very much as i watch americans start to blame the epstein illuminati on russia.