Here’s the thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24345496
users from meanwhileongrad are banned from dbzer0, so you won’t be able to interact (which you shouldn’t be doing anyway)
Here’s the thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24345496
users from meanwhileongrad are banned from dbzer0, so you won’t be able to interact (which you shouldn’t be doing anyway)
Violence
Fascists get no mercy
If you believe this, why then do you have a problem with the phrase “death to Israel?” Zionism is a fascist ideology, and Israel is an ethno-supremacist project of Zionists.
I should note that I disagree with you. Calling for the death of all Republicans is just as wrong as calling for the death of all Israelis. I despise fascists, but I don’t want them all dead, I want them to face justice. Though the ambiguity of the phrase “death to Israel” does not bother me, as I think the context is usually more than enough to resolve that ambiguity.
Because there are innocent people in Israel
When you have an instance that actively allows antisemitism, such as users using zio- as a pejorative, or repeating antisemitic conspiracy theories such as zog, then the context doesn’t help solve ambiguity.
I agree with you partially about zog, as it’s an embellishment of the truth (that being that zionists excercise significant influence in US politics, but not a total occupation), but zio is just short for zionist. Using zio as a pejorative is no different from something like MAGAt. Sure, nazis use it as a pejorative against Jews, but it has a more narrow meaning. Nazis who use zio as a pejorative are engaging in the conflation of zionism and judaism, which you are aiding in when you accept the nazi premise that zio is a pejorative for jews, and which Israel benefits from as it enables them to weaponize antisemitism against critics of genocide.
ZOG isn’t an embellishment of the truth, it’s a full-blown conspiracy used by white supremacists. ZOG doesn’t mean that zionists have a strong lobbying influence, it means that governments are controlled by Jews. Framing it as partially true validates white supremacist conspiracy theory.
Zio- also has direct origins to David Duke, the Grand Wizard of the KKK, which he uses as a dogwhistle to describe Jews and the zog conspiracy. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists use zio- as a pejorative dogwhistle, don’t try to change it into something else, or even use it, that just gives them validity, it allows them you hide behind you.
You’re also drawing a false equivalence. People volunteer to be MAGA, they don’t volunteer to be Jews. I’m not saying that zionist automatically equals Jew, I’m mentioning that ZOG and Zio- are antisemitic due to their history and what they mean. And when those in conjunction with “death to Israel,” it looks more like you’re using antisemitic dogwhistles and referring to Jews instead of Zionists.