• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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      About what, that spamming two polar opposite concepts together isn’t an oxymoron?

      That isn’t an opinion, that is a definition. The opposite of Progressive is Conservative.

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        Niether concepts nor humans are monolithic things. It’s possible to be conservative in some areas of your life (finance, relationships, etc…) but progressive in others (equal rights, healthcare, etc…)

        This notion that all conservatives are hard-C conservatives in every facet of their life, and all progressives are radical leftists in every area of their life, is frankly stupid and a major contributor to the polarization that we see all around us.

        The reality is that with the exception (edited for spelling error) of maybe 5% of crazy people on either side (far right or far left) the VAST majority of us are a mixture of conservative and progressive opinions depending on the particular issue we’re talking about.

        Thinking otherwise is frankly not helpful. But as I said, you’re welcome to your opinion.

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          Military intelligence is an oxymoron but there are plenty of smart people in the military. It is an oxymoron whether you admit it or not. I was just pointing that out.

          Furthermore your definitions are very sus. An extreme progressive has nothing to do with leftist ideology. Progressives believe in using evidence to change policy to improve society.

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            It is an oxymoron whether you admit it or not

            Military and Intelligence are nouns. So they are comparable things and can therefore be oxymoronic to one another.

            Progressive and Conservative are adjectives and can only be oxymoronic if they’re describing the same thing.

            They’re only function is to describe the noun that comes after them. In some cases, that is an unspoken noun, as is the case when someone describes themselves as “Progressive Conservative”. Really, what they’re saying is they are “Socially Progressive Fiscally Conservative”.

            But that has trouble fitting on a lawn sign.

            If they say “Socially progressive and Socially conservative” THAT’S an oxymoron. But as long as those two adjectives are describing different concepts (fiscal and social), they have nothing to do with each other and therefore not an oxymoron, whether you admit it or not.

            If you want to go an a pedantic well actually battle royale in regards to the english language and proper nomenclature, bring receipts.

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              Military, Intelligence, Progressive, and Conservative are all nouns. Not sure where you are going with this. I think what you mean is these words can be a noun adjunct.

              I totally get everyone is on a spectrum. Thank you for pointing that out.

              When someone says they are a progressive conservative what they mean is they are a conservative who is embarrassed by the garbage conservatives push out. They are not progressive because a progressive is the opposite of a conservative.

              Progressive want change, conservatives do not. So you are essentially saying you are someone who doesn’t want change that wants change. It is nonsensical.

              Please stop it with pretending you have English language mastery.

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                Progressive, and Conservative are all nouns.

                Not in the context in which we’re discussing, they’re not.

                • The Liberal Party of Canada (not “The Party of Liberals”)
                • The Conservative Party of Canada (not “The Party of Conservatives”)
                • The New Democratic Party of Canada (not “The Party of New Democrats”)

                and then back in the early 90’s,

                • The Progressive Conservative Party of Canada (not “The Party of Progressive Conservatives”…which, FYI…THAT would be the oxymoron by definition that you are trying to argue.)

                In the context of party names, which is precisely what we are discussing, these words are adjectives.

                Which brings me all the way back around to “The Socially Progressive Fiscally Conservative Party of Canada” being too long to fit on a sign, and so it’s shortened to just Progressive Conservative. Which YOU seem to think means that Progressive is being used as an adjective for Conservative, which yes…WOULD be an oxymoron if that was how the words were used in the party name.

                But…they’re…not… They are two adjectives describing two separate things (Fiscal policy & social policy)

                You want to talk about English competency? How is the difference between adjective and noun and when to use each so difficult for you to grasp?

                Good lord. I’m done. I tried being respectful, but you’re beyond hopeless.

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                  They are all nouns, not sure why you would bother to deny this.

                  I can’t help that a party shortens their name to an oxymoron. That doesn’t change the fact that it is.

                  Thanks for the history lesson. I had look up these Tory wanna-be losers. Once again they are just embarrassed conservatives who are progressives in name only. Is that your big point? Because I don’t think you have proved anything contrary to what I have said.

                  The fact that you don’t know a noun can become an adjective is kind of telling. I agree we are done here. Cheers!

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            Its not the people in the military but the processes that bring about all the stupidity.