• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    The hole in the ozone layer is now repairing due to international regulation of CFCs

    Acid rain is no longer a problem because of regulation of sulfur dioxide emissions

    Leaded gasoline has now been banned in every country

    Asbestos exposure is rare now due to regulatory controls. It’s bad that it took so long to get done.

    Government regulation is effective in protecting people from health risks.

    Collective action (e.g. through voting) is effective in establishing such regulation.

    If you spread the lie that voting in favor of such policies (and politicians who support them) is a useless waste of time, you are spreading industry propaganda.

    Effective, large-scale change is IN FACT at the polls.

    It is nowhere else.

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      So all those problems are fixed but somehow new ones keep popping up? Maybe it wasnt real change but actually just band aids and the root cause stayed unadressed through all those years.

      Somehow the system you want to maintain and support keeps creating these problems. And then it says we need this exact system to deal with thosr problems.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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        Yes, actually.

        Do you remember the hole in the ozone layer? It’s self-repairing now because the chemicals that were damaging it were internationally banned - by government regulation.

        Do you remember the acid rain scare? It’s not a problem now because of regulatory control of sulfur dioxide emissions.

        Do you know why gasoline is unleaded?

        Do you know why asbestos is banned in building materials?

        Government regulation actively improves human health and wellbeing, and has prevented several outright disasters from progressing.

        Real change does, in fact, come from voting for politicians that support effective environmental policies. It is industry propaganda that wants you to believe that regulation is ineffective.

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        If you think it can be done without regulation… Companies don’t care, they will pollute as much as they can. That needs regulation.

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          you can’t regulate capitalism away. as long as the profit motive isn’t abolished, climate change can’t be solved

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            Frankly you’re wrong, the other user listed plenty of problems that have been solved and we can solve plenty more. And capitalism isn’t going anywhere, so both your idea and this meme’s idea is just some combination of you sticking your head in the sand, while complaining, while giving up.

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      They also love when their opponents only vote or only rely on a flawed legal system to fight back. Go voting if you want to do that, but voting is not what is stopping ICE right now.

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        Why exactly can’t you vote and take other actions?

        Also, what exact actions do you think are going to stop ICE?

        You’re long on indignation, but short on practical solutions.

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    I dream of this every day, let’s build micro grids of wind and solar that power our neighborhoods and at the same time can connect to each-other for power sharing in emergencies.

    Let’s organize our own logistics chains so we can resource share over space and time and start to imagine distribution based on need and efficiency rather than trade/profit margins.