The part of the video that’s unspoken is that he spends most of his time trashing Pop!_OS while he is invested in a company that is competing against System 76.
I’m not saying that to dismiss the complaints against PopOS, many of which are totally valid. Cosmic is honestly not good enough yet to be shipping as the default DE on PopOS, and by doing so System76 are really undermining the reputation Cosmic, PopOS and their entire company. Own goal there by System76.
At the same time Linus is making questionable choices at best. Asking ChatGPT for distro advice may be the “normie” thing to do right now (although I’m not too sure about that), but it’s not the smart thing to do and it did lead him down a bad path. On top of that installing his OS at a LAN party when people are waiting for him to play a game is just dumb and makes this entire the entire thing seem like a bad faith attempt.
With that said, Valve are to blame for not making sure their old games all work perfectly on Linux out of the box.
They are going the way normies would, which includes asking the LLM of choice for a recommendation. But as they just regurgitate listicles inhaled from the web, that is what you get.
Bazzite and Cachy are the more sane choices, though Luke is by no means counting as a Linux noob
I mean, I get it, but I kind of reject the premise. Normies don’t install operating system, period. Not Windows and not Linux.
What’s the point of Linus playing dumb here? What’s the point of him always seeming to install Linux when he’s pressed for time at a LAN party or before needing to leave? Has he ever done a video where he approaches using Windows as if he was a caveman who never witnessed electricity before?
It’s really starting to feel like a bad faith attempt…
This is the self-proclaimed “tech tips” guy we’re talking about. If you’re knowledgeable enough to know what Linux is and why you might want to install it, you should be knowledgeable enough to not trust “listicles” (often produced by LLMs today) and LLMs (trained on outdated listicles from 10 years ago).
PopOS is a bad choice today. Granted, some of that is the fault of System76, as imho, Cosmic really isn’t really for prime time. But I think most people with any reasonable knowledge of Linux would probably not recommend it right now. Like, if they had asked Wendel from LevelOneTechs, I seriously doubt he would have recommended it…
The only thing I expect from a big tech YouTuber like Linus is that he does good research.
Trusting a random person on reddit isn’t that. And he has a big audience of people who might also want to try Linux. However, this isn’t helping… I just expected better from him.
He did a good reasearch. He researched what average user will get recommended, and tested it. What else you want? It’s actual linux experience. He also had somone tested Bazzite, and it was different experience. You’re all foaming really because Linux has shit community that year after year shills dogshit distros to the point of ChatGPT picking it up. GG
Agreed. Also, they did include their own mistakes in the video (first telling about problems but then later saying that it was their own fault). You could just not include that in the video since it’s pointless info about Linux when you yourself did the mistake. I think all of this in combination is meant to subtly influence viewers for “Linux = expect problems”. And since LTT is generally more on the entertainment side and less on the factual/trustworthy side, and still very well-known, it could also mean that they’re being paid to spread a little bit of that FUD.
On the other hand, genuinely newbie Linux users can definitely reveal some bugs or problems which might not have occurred otherwise. It’s like running a fuzzer that tests the ability of a program to deal with lots of random and nonsensical input. Because some of those Windows gamers sure have some questionable habits when interacting with their PC.
Also, it shows that genuine newbies maybe need more guidance from their distro to break certain Windows habits. For example, how to install drivers (you don’t because they should be there already) and applications (you shouldn’t download them from the manufacturer’s websites as a 1st priority). Somehow, these Windows-user friendly distributions never really include hints like that, even though that’s a completely different paradigm of using the OS.
At the same time Linus is making questionable choices at best. Asking ChatGPT for distro advice may be the “normie” thing to do right now (although I’m not too sure about that), but it’s not the smart thing to do and it did lead him down a bad path.
I mean that’s kinda the point. They’re noobs, they don’t know what’s right from wrong. People who don’t know right from wrong are likely to go down the wrong path.
IMO Linux’s biggest issue with normal people uptake is choice. Normal people don’t want 7000 options. It also makes diagnosing problems all the more harder.
I mean that’s kinda the point. They’re noobs, they don’t know what’s right from wrong. People who don’t know right from wrong are likely to go down the wrong path.
Ok. But that’s a personal problem, not a Linux problem. In the end of the day if you’re relying on “listicles” and LLMs to make basic decisions for you (for just about anything, frankly) you’re going to have a bad time.
PopOS is a bad and outdated recommendation right now, because they have literally just switched to Cosmis, a brand new desktop environment that just came out of beta a few months ago. I would argue that it should still be in beta right now, and I do think that System76 made a mistake by calling the current version 1.0, but in the end of the day ChatGPT predictably gave Linus a bad recommendation, because that’s what LLMs do.
If you go to ChatGPT for tech advice, legal advice, medical advice, or even something as computationally friendly as solving math problems, you’re probably making a mistake. That’s an “AI” problem, not a “Linux” problem. Use your brain and stop relying on “AI” to think for you.
IMO Linux’s biggest issue with normal people uptake is choice. Normal people don’t want 7000 options. It also makes diagnosing problems all the more harder.
I disagree. Choice and competition is generally good, as it means that different kinds of people with different use cases can have their needs met.
IMO Windows’ biggest issue is the lack of choice, in the sense that computers are treated as one-size-fits-all systems where your grandma is expected to use the same computing environment as a professional software developer, which ultimately leads to a system that’s not ideal for either of them. Why are we gaming on the same OS that people at the tire store are running? Would we be surprised to find that is holding computing back?
In the end of the day, choice is good, lack of choice is bad.
People have 7000 choices of food, but it doesn’t stop most people from finding something to eat for breakfast. People have 7000 choices for transportation, but it doesn’t stop them from getting where they need to go in a way that suits them.
It’s not hard to get a good recommendation of what Linux distro to use today if you just ask someone who knows what they’re talking about.
What are you on about? People absolutely do get decision paralysis choosing what to eat or what car or bicycle to buy. And those come with budget constraints. The trouble with Linux distros is that you can afford literally any of them!
You’re looking at this as a power user. Normies don’t want to have to make decisions.
Ok, so don’t review “Linux”, review PopOS. Then review Bazzite. Then review Cachy. Etc. Why teach (through implication) your normie users that Linux is all one thing?
Ignore that user. They are most likely a troll, probably my most down voted user in all of Lemmy. I once thought of blocking them, but then realized it is kind of like having a pet. They are too small and stupid to hurt anyone, but it is funny to watch them try. Ocassionally they drop some gems that are truly hilariously bad. Not KenM bad, but close tho.
The part of the video that’s unspoken is that he spends most of his time trashing Pop!_OS while he is invested in a company that is competing against System 76.
I’m not saying that to dismiss the complaints against PopOS, many of which are totally valid. Cosmic is honestly not good enough yet to be shipping as the default DE on PopOS, and by doing so System76 are really undermining the reputation Cosmic, PopOS and their entire company. Own goal there by System76.
At the same time Linus is making questionable choices at best. Asking ChatGPT for distro advice may be the “normie” thing to do right now (although I’m not too sure about that), but it’s not the smart thing to do and it did lead him down a bad path. On top of that installing his OS at a LAN party when people are waiting for him to play a game is just dumb and makes this entire the entire thing seem like a bad faith attempt.
With that said, Valve are to blame for not making sure their old games all work perfectly on Linux out of the box.
They are going the way normies would, which includes asking the LLM of choice for a recommendation. But as they just regurgitate listicles inhaled from the web, that is what you get.
Bazzite and Cachy are the more sane choices, though Luke is by no means counting as a Linux noob
I mean, I get it, but I kind of reject the premise. Normies don’t install operating system, period. Not Windows and not Linux.
What’s the point of Linus playing dumb here? What’s the point of him always seeming to install Linux when he’s pressed for time at a LAN party or before needing to leave? Has he ever done a video where he approaches using Windows as if he was a caveman who never witnessed electricity before?
It’s really starting to feel like a bad faith attempt…
This is the self-proclaimed “tech tips” guy we’re talking about. If you’re knowledgeable enough to know what Linux is and why you might want to install it, you should be knowledgeable enough to not trust “listicles” (often produced by LLMs today) and LLMs (trained on outdated listicles from 10 years ago).
PopOS is a bad choice today. Granted, some of that is the fault of System76, as imho, Cosmic really isn’t really for prime time. But I think most people with any reasonable knowledge of Linux would probably not recommend it right now. Like, if they had asked Wendel from LevelOneTechs, I seriously doubt he would have recommended it…
But Linus has a big audience and he knows that. He should have done this better instead of trusting a random reddit post and continue from there.
People also listen to him and try to also copy him. Since now people might also try Linux and the first distro might now be pop os.
I don’t think it’s the direction normies would go. I think they would see that video and have it guide their choices. Otherwise who is the video for?
It’s Pop!_OS that trashes itself in front of the camera. You people were recommending it for gaming for years, then Linus shown the actual experience.
And now you ignore, that LTT vid had shown Bazzite expreince as well, but boo hoo, Pop is bad therefore Linus bad, we hate LTT together.
Linux has worst, most tribal community in any sense possible. Any criticism ends up with hate and silent downvotes.
The only thing I expect from a big tech YouTuber like Linus is that he does good research.
Trusting a random person on reddit isn’t that. And he has a big audience of people who might also want to try Linux. However, this isn’t helping… I just expected better from him.
He did a good reasearch. He researched what average user will get recommended, and tested it. What else you want? It’s actual linux experience. He also had somone tested Bazzite, and it was different experience. You’re all foaming really because Linux has shit community that year after year shills dogshit distros to the point of ChatGPT picking it up. GG
Agreed. Also, they did include their own mistakes in the video (first telling about problems but then later saying that it was their own fault). You could just not include that in the video since it’s pointless info about Linux when you yourself did the mistake. I think all of this in combination is meant to subtly influence viewers for “Linux = expect problems”. And since LTT is generally more on the entertainment side and less on the factual/trustworthy side, and still very well-known, it could also mean that they’re being paid to spread a little bit of that FUD.
On the other hand, genuinely newbie Linux users can definitely reveal some bugs or problems which might not have occurred otherwise. It’s like running a fuzzer that tests the ability of a program to deal with lots of random and nonsensical input. Because some of those Windows gamers sure have some questionable habits when interacting with their PC.
Also, it shows that genuine newbies maybe need more guidance from their distro to break certain Windows habits. For example, how to install drivers (you don’t because they should be there already) and applications (you shouldn’t download them from the manufacturer’s websites as a 1st priority). Somehow, these Windows-user friendly distributions never really include hints like that, even though that’s a completely different paradigm of using the OS.
Exactly he is just spreading fud due to his lack of research. I expect better from Linus here.
I mean that’s kinda the point. They’re noobs, they don’t know what’s right from wrong. People who don’t know right from wrong are likely to go down the wrong path.
IMO Linux’s biggest issue with normal people uptake is choice. Normal people don’t want 7000 options. It also makes diagnosing problems all the more harder.
Ok. But that’s a personal problem, not a Linux problem. In the end of the day if you’re relying on “listicles” and LLMs to make basic decisions for you (for just about anything, frankly) you’re going to have a bad time.
PopOS is a bad and outdated recommendation right now, because they have literally just switched to Cosmis, a brand new desktop environment that just came out of beta a few months ago. I would argue that it should still be in beta right now, and I do think that System76 made a mistake by calling the current version 1.0, but in the end of the day ChatGPT predictably gave Linus a bad recommendation, because that’s what LLMs do.
If you go to ChatGPT for tech advice, legal advice, medical advice, or even something as computationally friendly as solving math problems, you’re probably making a mistake. That’s an “AI” problem, not a “Linux” problem. Use your brain and stop relying on “AI” to think for you.
I disagree. Choice and competition is generally good, as it means that different kinds of people with different use cases can have their needs met.
IMO Windows’ biggest issue is the lack of choice, in the sense that computers are treated as one-size-fits-all systems where your grandma is expected to use the same computing environment as a professional software developer, which ultimately leads to a system that’s not ideal for either of them. Why are we gaming on the same OS that people at the tire store are running? Would we be surprised to find that is holding computing back?
In the end of the day, choice is good, lack of choice is bad.
People have 7000 choices of food, but it doesn’t stop most people from finding something to eat for breakfast. People have 7000 choices for transportation, but it doesn’t stop them from getting where they need to go in a way that suits them.
It’s not hard to get a good recommendation of what Linux distro to use today if you just ask someone who knows what they’re talking about.
What are you on about? People absolutely do get decision paralysis choosing what to eat or what car or bicycle to buy. And those come with budget constraints. The trouble with Linux distros is that you can afford literally any of them!
You’re looking at this as a power user. Normies don’t want to have to make decisions.
Ok, so don’t review “Linux”, review PopOS. Then review Bazzite. Then review Cachy. Etc. Why teach (through implication) your normie users that Linux is all one thing?
Pretty sure bazzite is also in the video
LOL remind me which distro Framework is developing?
You realize System76 makes laptops, right?
You realize you can run whatever distro you want on System76 laptops, right?
That’s not the point. The point OP was making is that he shat on a competitor’s product without disclosing it.
He didn’t shit on anyone’s product. System76 sells laptops, not distros. Jesus Tittyfucking Christ you guys are so irrational and deluded.
System76 makes PopOS.
Ignore that user. They are most likely a troll, probably my most down voted user in all of Lemmy. I once thought of blocking them, but then realized it is kind of like having a pet. They are too small and stupid to hurt anyone, but it is funny to watch them try. Ocassionally they drop some gems that are truly hilariously bad. Not KenM bad, but close tho.
Do they SELL PopOS? No? QED.
Yes. On their laptops. Also, you don’t need to sell something for it to be a product.