In the federal Democratic Party down in the US you have a progressive wing of the democrats. How much have they been able to accomplish within the party?
Out of power? Fuck all. You might as well as what the harder right part of Poilievre’s flank has accomplished.
Before that? Basically universal healthcare.
You can move the Liberals left by opposing them
And risk everything against an ascendant populist right? This feels close to “I’m fine no matter how the election goes, fuck the vulnerable and others who have to deal with the generational consequences, we need to say and a message!”
Progressive Democrats at no point accomplished universal health care. Obamacare was simply a “meet-in-the-middle” situation if you could call it that, which has slowly been dismantled by Trump’s Republicans. If Biden’s Democrats had some progressive fight rather than being overrun by right-wing corporate Democrats and managed to pass actual universal health care, Trump would have never had a second term, full stop.
You fight an ascendant populist right not by merging with people who have also moved right, but by standing your ground in your values. Saying that the NDP is sticking a middle finger to the vulnerable is completely rich seeing how vulnerable indigenous populations already are only to have a Carney government stick the middle finger to them by saying “yeah, once again we’ll fail to address the systemic issues that face you, and on top of that, we’ll bypass your treaty rights to do what we want”.
The Carney government has made healthcare vulnerable by not fighting the Alberta government when it comes to violating the Canada Health Act, has made union workers vulnerable by forcing arbitration on flight attendants striking against unpaid overtime, made Canadians as a whole vulnerable to U.S. foreign policy by falling in line with the U.S. with the official statement on the Iran war rather than following through with calling out violations of international law as the prime minister highlighted in his own speech at Davos, made the working class as a whole vulnerable by appointing a “Minister of AI” and being the first prime minister in over a century to not appoint a dedicated Minister of Labour, the list goes on.
The NDP has been vocal and unwavering in all of these things. To claim that supporting the NDP and being against a floor crossing to the party that has done all the above somehow sticks a middle finger to the vulnerable is a flat out lie.
Sorry, this reads more like ai campaign slop than a response.
It’s also, at earliest in a Canadian time zone AFAIK, 1am when you wrote all that.
Goodnight.
Edit: To those annoyed. Look, the beginning was silly (what creates a middle ground? Two different positions, one being the progressive wing’s!) And then was a long ramble about how the NDP would be good for the vulnerable which is to completely miss the point and reads like they just copied and pasted something.
I’m protective of my time and I imagine others are too.
The erosion was the vote collapse, not this.
Out of power? Fuck all. You might as well as what the harder right part of Poilievre’s flank has accomplished.
Before that? Basically universal healthcare.
And risk everything against an ascendant populist right? This feels close to “I’m fine no matter how the election goes, fuck the vulnerable and others who have to deal with the generational consequences, we need to say and a message!”
Progressive Democrats at no point accomplished universal health care. Obamacare was simply a “meet-in-the-middle” situation if you could call it that, which has slowly been dismantled by Trump’s Republicans. If Biden’s Democrats had some progressive fight rather than being overrun by right-wing corporate Democrats and managed to pass actual universal health care, Trump would have never had a second term, full stop.
You fight an ascendant populist right not by merging with people who have also moved right, but by standing your ground in your values. Saying that the NDP is sticking a middle finger to the vulnerable is completely rich seeing how vulnerable indigenous populations already are only to have a Carney government stick the middle finger to them by saying “yeah, once again we’ll fail to address the systemic issues that face you, and on top of that, we’ll bypass your treaty rights to do what we want”.
The Carney government has made healthcare vulnerable by not fighting the Alberta government when it comes to violating the Canada Health Act, has made union workers vulnerable by forcing arbitration on flight attendants striking against unpaid overtime, made Canadians as a whole vulnerable to U.S. foreign policy by falling in line with the U.S. with the official statement on the Iran war rather than following through with calling out violations of international law as the prime minister highlighted in his own speech at Davos, made the working class as a whole vulnerable by appointing a “Minister of AI” and being the first prime minister in over a century to not appoint a dedicated Minister of Labour, the list goes on.
The NDP has been vocal and unwavering in all of these things. To claim that supporting the NDP and being against a floor crossing to the party that has done all the above somehow sticks a middle finger to the vulnerable is a flat out lie.
Sorry, this reads more like ai campaign slop than a response.
It’s also, at earliest in a Canadian time zone AFAIK, 1am when you wrote all that.
Goodnight.
Edit: To those annoyed. Look, the beginning was silly (what creates a middle ground? Two different positions, one being the progressive wing’s!) And then was a long ramble about how the NDP would be good for the vulnerable which is to completely miss the point and reads like they just copied and pasted something.
I’m protective of my time and I imagine others are too.
The person you’re discussing this with is clearly more knowledgeable than you are. So you resort to “they must be a bot.” Good grief. Blocked
It’s more they went on a semi random tangent about the NDP for the vulnerable, which is not the point.
It’s like Pam Bondi being surprised people laughed when she brought up the DOW in the Epstein committee.
Lmao, alrighty then.
Writing posts late at night and giving a detailed response = AI.
Have a good rest I guess.
You just went off on “nuh uh, here’s why the NDP is good for vulnerable people” which is to miss the entire point.
It’s like when Bondi asked why we aren’t talking about the DOW in the Epstein hearing.