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This keeps getting buried by the algos, but I see this requirement as a real problem. Unreliable tech that stops your car if it thinks you’re not driving right… and already current implementations have lots of false positive actions. Yeah, nope. This won’t go well.
Imagine the car doing a full stop on the highway because of a bug splatter on the camera. False positives might even be lethal.
And everyone behind who brakes to avoid accident instantly gets their premium increased, which they need to pay retroactively to get the payout for this incident.
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or showing fatigue
Oh, you mean like literally every morning as I’m leaving for work?
Sorry boss, I can’t come in today because my car says I’m too tired
I’m about to say something that can be read as me supporting this shit, and I do not.
However.
Driving fatigued is about as unsafe as driving drunk. Assuming you are actually fatigued.
There was a time in the past when we allowed people to actively drink and drive.
I think - for the most part - not allowing that was a good idea.
IN THEORY preventing people from driving fatigued is not a bad idea.
IN PRACTICE we all know it won’t be as simple as that.
But the basic idea itself is… not all bad. It’s a pity we know it’ll go to shit.
Fuck off with your nuanced take. We’re here to be irrational and fire off unwarranted gripes!
I want my car to make hot coffee and pour it in my lap every morning on the way to work!
But you can just go to McDonald’s for that. :)
But can I trigger it via my home doorbell using a Home Assistant integration?
I mean… give it a few more years and quite possibly. lol
Congratulations! Someone is at your door!
Well we’re going to have to figure out something for all the people who take a couple hours to get their brains into gear in the morning if you want to stop that.
Yes indeed. I don’t think it’ll be easy at all. Trying to stop intoxicated driving is difficult enough, and that’s usually driving that happens “after hours”. So this would be ten times more difficult.
I suppose, in theory, most of the time forcing the use of some sort of alternate transportation would work, although we’d have to figure out how to make it cheaper. We often drink close to where we live, and work far from where we live.
If it was up to me, I’d delay this further and do more research and get more smart people coming up with ideas on how to solve these problems, because it would be worth trying to fix. But then again, there are so many problems we should be tackling, this is a relatively minor one…
Now if this piece of regulation passes what’s preventing your government from allowing full blown rollout of ai based fines system using camera networks for example ? This crap lowers the bar in terms of human validation a whole lot.
This is the worst timeline. Tech could have set us all free; instead its returning us to feudalism.
Yup.
It’s clear as day now. We’re getting the dystopian tech future, not the utopian one.
We have the tools we need, we’re just misusing them.
Carpe Apparata
I get nauseated reading about these developments
Nausea detected. Driving while nauseated is unsafe. Not allowing ignition start for vehicle. Please exit the vehicle immediately.
The federal government promises this surveillance saves 9,000-10,000 lives annually.
Wikipedia says roughly 42k people died of car related injuries in 2022.
So, the government is promising that this brand new technology that has not had any field testing whatsoever is going to reduce car related deaths by 23%?
They’re lucky theres no way to sue over a broken promise.
Here’s a great way to reduce car deaths to near 0%
functional public transit.
It’s not about reducing road fatalities.
It’s about surveilling political enemies.
It’ll have sudden false positives the moment you talk about how bad the government is. It’ll suddenly appear in counter-terrorism surveillance.
they’ll end up playing a loud advert if you look sleepy.
Which will distract you enough to get you into a crash.
Yes, but the advertisement will have been for a chiropractor, so - in a way - everyone wins.
Ofcourse this would happen. Every EV car has a sort-kind-of-black-box and a gps. So every car knows exactely what speed it is allowed to drive on the roads. In the future - when you have an accident - the insurrance company can investigate the black box of your car and see immediately what speed you were driving on that particular gps-point. With your mobile phone connected to the car, it can also see immediately who was driving the car, etc… It was written in the stars many years ago.
My mom was using a tracker app to record her drives on her phone and when skiing. It recorded dozens of drives up and down the mountain.
You can delete them or say it’s not you driving, but there were weeks of them and she easily could have missed some.
lol like when I rented a Penske truck that had lane departure that kept malfunctioning.
Kept thinking I was on the road besides the freeway and slamming the brakes because I was over the speed limit.
God we’re so fucked…
Hoping it can be defeated with a strategically placed piece of tape
In the blackbox computer?
Infrared sensors would be defeat-able. Integrated telemetry stuff (speed, driving habits, aggressiveness) no so much.
Depends on if they’re tied to the CAN bus. If so, all sensors can be spoofed.
Tie them to a CANNOT bus
Whoever downvoted you doesn’t appreciate humour.
Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT
Well, I literally CANNOT.
Personally, I’m wondering what a big magnet might do to something like this.
Almost nothing is magnetic storage anymore. So unless you’re spinning the magnet fast near the thing, you’re not likely to affect the device at all.
Over the sensors…
There’s zero chance that if these sensors fail they disable the car. You wouldn’t be able to bring them in for work. So covering the sensors should easily work.
Think they’d just tell you to tow the car? Tesla vehicles do this, and right now they are leading the auto industry in making cars worse.
And yet you can disable the annoying slow moving beeping in any normal EV without it shutting down the car.
Car manufacturers will do the minimum possible to not piss off customers. They’re not going to deal with all the craziness of what happens if the sensors stop working when driving, and how it would slow down the car, etc. they’re just gonna make it fail safe.
The guy in india getting paid $0.01 per check to look into your drivers side webcam won’t like that
Joke’s on them, I can’t afford a new car
real REASON, is surveilling the actual passenger itself for any “Radical elements”
So used car prices will be going up, then.
Yea. I keep telling my spouse that my shit-mobile collection is just a long term investment.
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Always a good time to pick up biking. And warm clothes for cold nights.
And this is just one of three reasons why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.
