Yeah, I admittedly haven’t finished the entire interview. I need to finish my workday first, so I’m only halfway through but Terry mentions earlier on about the term “toxic masculinity” and how it’s too easily thrown around and how some men grab ahold of it and say “what’s the use of it? … I’m just a man and now I’m being blamed?”. I’m paraphrasing but what he’s saying loosely is defining the terms and problems and being clear so we don’t get misconstrued.