War sucks, and is a tragedy. That’s why figuring out what the best course of action is is important. How should the war end? How can it end?
Exactly. Can over should, I think. It’s clear that Ukraine can surrender its territory and possibly install a Russia-friendly government, that should end the current conflict.
But what could or should Russia do to end the current conflict?
As for the links, I gave you one pretty comprehensive one, and a bunch of sub-topics with around 10 links each. If you’re seeking ethnic repressions, that narrows it down to 10-20.
Which one is the comprehensive one, and which 10-20 are the ethnic repression ones? I’m not being facetious here, I just can’t find out what these links are supposed to convey.
Let me be clear, the US are imperialist fucks, the EU is a neoliberal austerity machine, Ukraine has major corruption issues. I agree.
But I’m still really trying to pop whatever propaganda bubble I’m living in. I base my view on reality on multiple independent sources who are able to fully criticise US, NATO, EU, Ukraine and Israel, but are also fully able to criticise Russia, China, Iran and whoever else. I think that’s the only way to get the facts straight. Not saying that these sources are not biased, but by checking primary sources and cross-referencing multiple reports I should be able to get something close to the facts.
But this method doesn’t work with your statements and sources so far. Should I change my method? Or did I misunderstand something? You seem incapable of making or accepting any negative statement about Russia in this context, which to me is a big red flag that maybe it’s you who’s in the propaganda bubble. Sources that disagree with your view seem to be rejected, sources that agree with your view are accepted. Shouldn’t it sort of be the other way around?
But I’m really open to revisiting this view based on sources like those mentioned above, so please help me.
Ukraine can give up the 4 oblasts and install a neutral government. Russia is ending the war the only way that will prevent future war, by carrying this one out to the end. Russia has the cards, this is not a moral problem but a material one.
As for the comprehensive one, I sent you a documentary before sending the rest of the links. Just watch that one if you want, or start reading multiple links so you can get a better picture. You can start with the “fascism” section if you want to see the origins of the Banderite movement in Ukraine, or go to the war crimes section to see that in action.
As for criticizing Russia, China, and Iran, I both can do so and don’t see how it’s relevant to the topic at hand. I support China as a socialist state that really doesn’t have nearly as much to criticize anyways, and I critically support both Iran and Russia against imperialist aggression, even if they aren’t socialist, as them contesting imperialism weakens the primary global obstacle to socialism.
My primary concern is creating a better world through concrete means, not through what “should be.” The only way forward is for imperialism to end, which means NATO as an organization either crumbles or is a shadow of its former self, the US and Europe pivot from imperialist economies to socialist (presumably after revolution), and the periphery gets to develop more.
What is your thesis? You seem to be trying to get me to consider other things, but to what end? Just to learn more for yourself? In that case, the links should be a great start, not a comprehensive view. There’s no magic bullet to getting rid of western propaganda all in one swoop, it took me many years to pivot to supporting socialist states even after beginning to identify as a socialist. This takes a lot of effort in reading theory, history, and talking with leftists, be it in real life or even online, following the news, etc.
Exactly. Can over should, I think. It’s clear that Ukraine can surrender its territory and possibly install a Russia-friendly government, that should end the current conflict.
But what could or should Russia do to end the current conflict?
Which one is the comprehensive one, and which 10-20 are the ethnic repression ones? I’m not being facetious here, I just can’t find out what these links are supposed to convey.
Let me be clear, the US are imperialist fucks, the EU is a neoliberal austerity machine, Ukraine has major corruption issues. I agree.
But I’m still really trying to pop whatever propaganda bubble I’m living in. I base my view on reality on multiple independent sources who are able to fully criticise US, NATO, EU, Ukraine and Israel, but are also fully able to criticise Russia, China, Iran and whoever else. I think that’s the only way to get the facts straight. Not saying that these sources are not biased, but by checking primary sources and cross-referencing multiple reports I should be able to get something close to the facts.
But this method doesn’t work with your statements and sources so far. Should I change my method? Or did I misunderstand something? You seem incapable of making or accepting any negative statement about Russia in this context, which to me is a big red flag that maybe it’s you who’s in the propaganda bubble. Sources that disagree with your view seem to be rejected, sources that agree with your view are accepted. Shouldn’t it sort of be the other way around?
But I’m really open to revisiting this view based on sources like those mentioned above, so please help me.
Ukraine can give up the 4 oblasts and install a neutral government. Russia is ending the war the only way that will prevent future war, by carrying this one out to the end. Russia has the cards, this is not a moral problem but a material one.
As for the comprehensive one, I sent you a documentary before sending the rest of the links. Just watch that one if you want, or start reading multiple links so you can get a better picture. You can start with the “fascism” section if you want to see the origins of the Banderite movement in Ukraine, or go to the war crimes section to see that in action.
As for criticizing Russia, China, and Iran, I both can do so and don’t see how it’s relevant to the topic at hand. I support China as a socialist state that really doesn’t have nearly as much to criticize anyways, and I critically support both Iran and Russia against imperialist aggression, even if they aren’t socialist, as them contesting imperialism weakens the primary global obstacle to socialism.
My primary concern is creating a better world through concrete means, not through what “should be.” The only way forward is for imperialism to end, which means NATO as an organization either crumbles or is a shadow of its former self, the US and Europe pivot from imperialist economies to socialist (presumably after revolution), and the periphery gets to develop more.
What is your thesis? You seem to be trying to get me to consider other things, but to what end? Just to learn more for yourself? In that case, the links should be a great start, not a comprehensive view. There’s no magic bullet to getting rid of western propaganda all in one swoop, it took me many years to pivot to supporting socialist states even after beginning to identify as a socialist. This takes a lot of effort in reading theory, history, and talking with leftists, be it in real life or even online, following the news, etc.