You’re not gonna get me to agree on this one. I have gotten two speeding tickets for going 2km over. Thats nothing but another way to fleece and steal from the working class.
We all know where the speeders and racers hang out and the cops don’t do shit
I think motorists are given way too much freedom in car-dominated cities across the globe, but at the same time, yeah, any sane person should agree that such a small deviation from the posted speed limits don’t deserve to be punished the same as a 10km/h to 20km/h higher deviation; it’s just not logical.
I’ll admit, I’ve sped so much in my past, doing 160km/h on highways with posted limits of 80km/h, and there would still be people riding my bumper on occasion at such speeds. They should have punished people like me, who liked fucking around and never found out because punishments for speeding are very unequal across the board.
It’s so selfishly myopic to look at the differences in fatality between 40 and 50, to look at the effects on driving speeds that these camera have, and then conclude, “This is a pointless money grab!” Like, dude, you’re clearly lying to yourself out loud. The lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others.
I feel like there’s a middle ground between your two posts, like the speed limit should be lowered by 5 and that should be added as a margin of error. That way you don’t get angry people behind you for going under the speed limit when you’re just trying to not get a ticket.
I’m not sure it’s super constructive to be so antagonistic, especially when the other person has a valid concern.
Right, yeah, the middle ground is, “continue to be a menace to pedestrians,” great. Heavens forbid we inconvenience a motorist. We’re not lowering limits and controlling illegal speeding because it’s fun. You should have a look at pedestrian fatality stats from the last ten years.
He does NOT have a valid concern. He has privilege that he feels has been threatened, and he has formed it into an objection-shaped lie. It’s gross entitlement that endangers other people’s lives. These cameras are not a cash-grab. The valid concern here is not killing innocent, vulnerable people.
I think what you’re not grasping is the classism at play. Motorists are a relatively affluent, powerful class who are straight up killing several-fold more people from a relatively poor, relatively disabled, relatively powerless, stigmatized and victimized class than they need to, not even for convenience but for the fucking FASHION of wearing an oversized vehicle while they speed around the city. And then they fucking BITCH about it.
People need to be a lot more angry about this. If you are not aware, after decades of improvement, pedestrian fatalities have spiked recently to their highest levels in more than 40 years. This is no longer a friendly disagreement. Our own government, the body responsible for ensuring the safety of all road users, is turning protection of the most vulnerable users into a culture war issue. This shit is not okay.
Devils advocate: if they are catching such slim margins they equally should be catching people going 5, 10 or 15 over of not more and actually being dangerous.
Yes it sucks to get fined for being in the margin of error, but if it was anywhere a residential or school zone I’d say it’s worth it given how easy it is for a child to wander into the street and how little it takes for a car to seriously harm or kill said child.
The best solution is just better public transit so people don’t feel the need to drive but getting more drivers to drive safer is a good first step
Luckily all the school areas have flashing signs that show you your speed .
And your second point about public transit, Thats a pipe dream. Come live in Toronto, it’s never going to happen. It would be lovely if transit was well funded, if it didn’t cost me $4 to travel 8km in 90 minutes. But Thats never going to happen. Not unless we nuke the rich.
We have been hearing about new transit plans that get immediately canceled by the next administration for decades. All we do is get jerked around
You’re not gonna get me to agree on this one. I have gotten two speeding tickets for going 2km over. Thats nothing but another way to fleece and steal from the working class. We all know where the speeders and racers hang out and the cops don’t do shit
I think motorists are given way too much freedom in car-dominated cities across the globe, but at the same time, yeah, any sane person should agree that such a small deviation from the posted speed limits don’t deserve to be punished the same as a 10km/h to 20km/h higher deviation; it’s just not logical.
I’ll admit, I’ve sped so much in my past, doing 160km/h on highways with posted limits of 80km/h, and there would still be people riding my bumper on occasion at such speeds. They should have punished people like me, who liked fucking around and never found out because punishments for speeding are very unequal across the board.
It’s so selfishly myopic to look at the differences in fatality between 40 and 50, to look at the effects on driving speeds that these camera have, and then conclude, “This is a pointless money grab!” Like, dude, you’re clearly lying to yourself out loud. The lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others.
I feel like there’s a middle ground between your two posts, like the speed limit should be lowered by 5 and that should be added as a margin of error. That way you don’t get angry people behind you for going under the speed limit when you’re just trying to not get a ticket.
I’m not sure it’s super constructive to be so antagonistic, especially when the other person has a valid concern.
Right, yeah, the middle ground is, “continue to be a menace to pedestrians,” great. Heavens forbid we inconvenience a motorist. We’re not lowering limits and controlling illegal speeding because it’s fun. You should have a look at pedestrian fatality stats from the last ten years.
He does NOT have a valid concern. He has privilege that he feels has been threatened, and he has formed it into an objection-shaped lie. It’s gross entitlement that endangers other people’s lives. These cameras are not a cash-grab. The valid concern here is not killing innocent, vulnerable people.
I think what you’re not grasping is the classism at play. Motorists are a relatively affluent, powerful class who are straight up killing several-fold more people from a relatively poor, relatively disabled, relatively powerless, stigmatized and victimized class than they need to, not even for convenience but for the fucking FASHION of wearing an oversized vehicle while they speed around the city. And then they fucking BITCH about it.
People need to be a lot more angry about this. If you are not aware, after decades of improvement, pedestrian fatalities have spiked recently to their highest levels in more than 40 years. This is no longer a friendly disagreement. Our own government, the body responsible for ensuring the safety of all road users, is turning protection of the most vulnerable users into a culture war issue. This shit is not okay.
Devils advocate: if they are catching such slim margins they equally should be catching people going 5, 10 or 15 over of not more and actually being dangerous.
Yes it sucks to get fined for being in the margin of error, but if it was anywhere a residential or school zone I’d say it’s worth it given how easy it is for a child to wander into the street and how little it takes for a car to seriously harm or kill said child.
The best solution is just better public transit so people don’t feel the need to drive but getting more drivers to drive safer is a good first step
Luckily all the school areas have flashing signs that show you your speed .
And your second point about public transit, Thats a pipe dream. Come live in Toronto, it’s never going to happen. It would be lovely if transit was well funded, if it didn’t cost me $4 to travel 8km in 90 minutes. But Thats never going to happen. Not unless we nuke the rich. We have been hearing about new transit plans that get immediately canceled by the next administration for decades. All we do is get jerked around