The broad characteristics of imperialism as a stage in capitalism were observed by Hobson. Lenin then codified it and created the basis of the theory, that still holds up today. As conditions have evolved, Nkrumah, Cheng Enfu, and more have carried this same basic analysis to modern, contemporary conditions, such as the transition from European supremacy to Statesian supremacy.
The Roman Empire had a system of imperialism that, in function, is entirely different from modern imperialism. They could just as easily be understood as entirely different words, as they function entirely differently, same with early tribal communism and future, highly industrialized communism.
I’m not handwaiving history, I am definitively stating that the imperialist stage of capitalism only came to be in the turn of the 20th century. It may be similar in some ways to previous forms of imperialism, but these forms no longer exist and are relics of history.
My argument isn’t flawed, you’re more than capable of comprehending it. Again, do you have any objections to the Marxist understanding of imperialism? Why do you believe the vibe-based understanding is better?
Lol! None of that has anything to do with “redefining Imperialism” itself. That is talking specifically about Capitalism. The two concepts can and do exist independently from each other.
I even agree with the concept that Capitalism will always trend towards imperialistic ambitions. That’s a fundamental aspect of how Capitalism functions. And I also agree that the way Capitalists will utilize Imperialism is different from more classical examples.
But when you start telling me that “it doesn’t count as imperialism unless it adheres to only those specific characteristics”…then I call bullshit. You can absolutely still have Imperialism without requiring all those criteria that are specific to Capitalism.
And I absolutely stand by my assertion that Russia is engaged in their own form of imperialism. That definition hasn’t changed. Not even according to the people you keep quoting. Their analysis only expands on that definition to include how Capitalism impacts its use.
Your definition of “imperialism” as it relates to Russia is so vague it would also apply to the Statesian north annexing the confederacy, or Burkina Faso kicking France out. All you really mean is that Russia is an active player on the global stage, but that isn’t inherently a bad thing. Imperialism as a system is a well-understood stage in capitalist development, that itself is bad, and is the biggest obstacle to socialism and human progression. Not Russia, which is actively working against said imperialist system.
Again, Russia is not exploiting the global south, and is actively working in the interests of the global south in contesting imperialism as a global system.
It’s not “so vague”. It’s literally the definition of imperialism.
Imperialism: a state policy or practice of extending a country’s power and dominion over other nations or territories. It is primarily achieved through direct territorial conquest, military force, or by gaining heavy political and economic control over the region.
How is that vague? And how does that not describe invading and occupying Ukraine, Georgia, and Chechnya? Or, engaging in political interference campaigns all across Europe and Central Asia?
You can pretend all you want, that these things “didn’t happen”, or “don’t mean what they mean”…but that would be completely disingenuous. Russia is an Imperialist state, which aims to expand its influence and territory, by any means necessary. Whether that’s economic influence, political interference, or direct military aggression.
It’s a vague, liberal definition. Again, the imperialist stage of capitalism was well understood already by Hobson, a non-Marxist economist. The Wikipedia version is so vague it can apply to Burkina Faso kicking out France, or to the Statesian North annexing the confederacy. It’s worthless and non-technical, resulting in a vibes-based understanding.
You have yet to prove why you believe the Wikipedia definition to be better than the commonly understood Marxist interpretation, which was the driving analysis for the last century.
Russia does not aim to expand influence and territory by any means necessary. This is baseless extension of their desire to annex the four oblasts far beyond their actual context. When you don’t have a materialist understanding of imperialism like I do, and instead work off of vibes, you come to clearly incorrect analysis like you are here.
The broad characteristics of imperialism as a stage in capitalism were observed by Hobson. Lenin then codified it and created the basis of the theory, that still holds up today. As conditions have evolved, Nkrumah, Cheng Enfu, and more have carried this same basic analysis to modern, contemporary conditions, such as the transition from European supremacy to Statesian supremacy.
The Roman Empire had a system of imperialism that, in function, is entirely different from modern imperialism. They could just as easily be understood as entirely different words, as they function entirely differently, same with early tribal communism and future, highly industrialized communism.
I’m not handwaiving history, I am definitively stating that the imperialist stage of capitalism only came to be in the turn of the 20th century. It may be similar in some ways to previous forms of imperialism, but these forms no longer exist and are relics of history.
My argument isn’t flawed, you’re more than capable of comprehending it. Again, do you have any objections to the Marxist understanding of imperialism? Why do you believe the vibe-based understanding is better?
Lol! None of that has anything to do with “redefining Imperialism” itself. That is talking specifically about Capitalism. The two concepts can and do exist independently from each other.
I even agree with the concept that Capitalism will always trend towards imperialistic ambitions. That’s a fundamental aspect of how Capitalism functions. And I also agree that the way Capitalists will utilize Imperialism is different from more classical examples.
But when you start telling me that “it doesn’t count as imperialism unless it adheres to only those specific characteristics”…then I call bullshit. You can absolutely still have Imperialism without requiring all those criteria that are specific to Capitalism.
And I absolutely stand by my assertion that Russia is engaged in their own form of imperialism. That definition hasn’t changed. Not even according to the people you keep quoting. Their analysis only expands on that definition to include how Capitalism impacts its use.
Your definition of “imperialism” as it relates to Russia is so vague it would also apply to the Statesian north annexing the confederacy, or Burkina Faso kicking France out. All you really mean is that Russia is an active player on the global stage, but that isn’t inherently a bad thing. Imperialism as a system is a well-understood stage in capitalist development, that itself is bad, and is the biggest obstacle to socialism and human progression. Not Russia, which is actively working against said imperialist system.
Again, Russia is not exploiting the global south, and is actively working in the interests of the global south in contesting imperialism as a global system.
It’s not “so vague”. It’s literally the definition of imperialism.
How is that vague? And how does that not describe invading and occupying Ukraine, Georgia, and Chechnya? Or, engaging in political interference campaigns all across Europe and Central Asia?
You can pretend all you want, that these things “didn’t happen”, or “don’t mean what they mean”…but that would be completely disingenuous. Russia is an Imperialist state, which aims to expand its influence and territory, by any means necessary. Whether that’s economic influence, political interference, or direct military aggression.
Every single part of that definition applies.
It’s a vague, liberal definition. Again, the imperialist stage of capitalism was well understood already by Hobson, a non-Marxist economist. The Wikipedia version is so vague it can apply to Burkina Faso kicking out France, or to the Statesian North annexing the confederacy. It’s worthless and non-technical, resulting in a vibes-based understanding.
You have yet to prove why you believe the Wikipedia definition to be better than the commonly understood Marxist interpretation, which was the driving analysis for the last century.
Russia does not aim to expand influence and territory by any means necessary. This is baseless extension of their desire to annex the four oblasts far beyond their actual context. When you don’t have a materialist understanding of imperialism like I do, and instead work off of vibes, you come to clearly incorrect analysis like you are here.