Zionism isn’t a religion. Zionism != Judaism. Zionists != Jews. People are responsible for their own political beliefs and advocacy. They aren’t an immutable trait. Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Painting all critics of Zionist ideology as anti-Semites is, in itself, anti-Semitic.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general, you are playing into the hands of both Netanyahu, and white supremacists. People who support genocidal regimes deserve criticism. Just as Muslims would rightly be criticized if they proclaimed their support for ISIL/ISIS, and Christians for any number of heinous crimes committed under Christian auspices, so too Jewish people are not immune from criticism for supporting genocide, purely on the basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Is neonazi infiltration of leftist spaces under the cover of anti-Zionism a problem? Of course, and it’s one that requires constant vigilance to detect and defeat. But that’s not what I see you doing daily, across the fediverse. Instead, you habitually conflate criticism of Israel’s genocidal actions with attacks on Jewish people in general, and by doing so, you only further the agenda of those who want everyone to make the same associations.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how to make that determination definitively, nor is it clear to me that it matters one way or the other. There seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that many people would make the same arguments that they do. Normally, I just downvote their shit takes, and go on with my day, but occasionally I feel moved to comment, and so I have.
Read the article. It’s claiming that all Canadian Jews are Zionists.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general,
I’m not pretending, Read the fucking article. It’s saying that Canadian Jews are all Zionists.
Synagogues are getting shot at all the time in Canada. There were three of these events that occurred the week the Ayatollah was killed. It’s pretty obvious the “anti-Zionists” are targeting Jews in Canada. It’s not me thinking Canadian Jews are the same as Israeli Jews, it’s the “anti-Zionists” that think this.
Read the article. It telling the anti-zionist crowd that it’s ok to target Canadian Jews. The majority of racist attacks in Canada target Jews. Antisemitism is very real in Canada and it’s being perpetrated by people that claim to be “anti-zionists”. And now people are rationalizing why attacking Jews in Canada is perfectly acceptable because “they’re all zionists”.
This is just how hate groups work. There’s a target for hate, say a black man that raped a woman. We all agree that’s terrible. Then the target of hatred becomes broader. Maybe it’s all black criminals. Then it becomes broader, maybe it’s black people that dress a certain way or talk a certain way. Then eventually it’s just hating black people.
That’s what’s happening here. You start out “just criticzing Israel”. Then you’re hating some people in the IDF committing war crimes, then it’s all of the IDF, then it’s all Israelis. Now you’re explanding to hating Jews in Canada. If you’re hating Canadian Jews, you’re not “just criticizing Israel”, you’re being straight up antisemitic. Especially considering the context of that racist violence that’s happening to Jews in Canada already. You’re throwing more fuel on the fire of antisemitism.
Try as you will to rationalize your way out of this, I don’t care. If you’re pushing narratives that result in violent attacks against Jews in Canada, you’re an antisemite. Go to the US and live among the bigots there, you don’t belong in Canada.
I read the article. It’s not the best prose, but it’s well-sourced, and I didn’t detect any falsehoods. The article doesn’t excuse or condone, and least of all does it encourage, violence toward Jews. It simply describes, among other things, prevailing attitudes toward Israel, and the actions thereof, among Canadian Jews.
Accurately describing the attitudes held by Canadian Jews toward Israel does not constitute anti-Semitism. Identifying as a Jew does not give anyone a free pass to support genocide without being subject to criticism.
Claiming that criticism of Zionism will inevitably lead to anti-Semitism is transparently fallacious. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religion or an ethnicity. Based on the available data, conflating Zionism with Judaism will only serve to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, and presumably elsewhere. If that isn’t your goal, you’re going about things the wrong way.
Zionism isn’t a religion. Zionism != Judaism. Zionists != Jews. People are responsible for their own political beliefs and advocacy. They aren’t an immutable trait. Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Painting all critics of Zionist ideology as anti-Semites is, in itself, anti-Semitic.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general, you are playing into the hands of both Netanyahu, and white supremacists. People who support genocidal regimes deserve criticism. Just as Muslims would rightly be criticized if they proclaimed their support for ISIL/ISIS, and Christians for any number of heinous crimes committed under Christian auspices, so too Jewish people are not immune from criticism for supporting genocide, purely on the basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Is neonazi infiltration of leftist spaces under the cover of anti-Zionism a problem? Of course, and it’s one that requires constant vigilance to detect and defeat. But that’s not what I see you doing daily, across the fediverse. Instead, you habitually conflate criticism of Israel’s genocidal actions with attacks on Jewish people in general, and by doing so, you only further the agenda of those who want everyone to make the same associations.
He’s not here in good faith man you know that.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how to make that determination definitively, nor is it clear to me that it matters one way or the other. There seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that many people would make the same arguments that they do. Normally, I just downvote their shit takes, and go on with my day, but occasionally I feel moved to comment, and so I have.
Fair. I always try to speak out against such absurdities, simply to show people just perusing the comments that their nonsense doesn’t go unabated.
Read the article. It’s claiming that all Canadian Jews are Zionists.
I’m not pretending, Read the fucking article. It’s saying that Canadian Jews are all Zionists.
Synagogues are getting shot at all the time in Canada. There were three of these events that occurred the week the Ayatollah was killed. It’s pretty obvious the “anti-Zionists” are targeting Jews in Canada. It’s not me thinking Canadian Jews are the same as Israeli Jews, it’s the “anti-Zionists” that think this.
Read the article. It telling the anti-zionist crowd that it’s ok to target Canadian Jews. The majority of racist attacks in Canada target Jews. Antisemitism is very real in Canada and it’s being perpetrated by people that claim to be “anti-zionists”. And now people are rationalizing why attacking Jews in Canada is perfectly acceptable because “they’re all zionists”.
This is just how hate groups work. There’s a target for hate, say a black man that raped a woman. We all agree that’s terrible. Then the target of hatred becomes broader. Maybe it’s all black criminals. Then it becomes broader, maybe it’s black people that dress a certain way or talk a certain way. Then eventually it’s just hating black people.
That’s what’s happening here. You start out “just criticzing Israel”. Then you’re hating some people in the IDF committing war crimes, then it’s all of the IDF, then it’s all Israelis. Now you’re explanding to hating Jews in Canada. If you’re hating Canadian Jews, you’re not “just criticizing Israel”, you’re being straight up antisemitic. Especially considering the context of that racist violence that’s happening to Jews in Canada already. You’re throwing more fuel on the fire of antisemitism.
Try as you will to rationalize your way out of this, I don’t care. If you’re pushing narratives that result in violent attacks against Jews in Canada, you’re an antisemite. Go to the US and live among the bigots there, you don’t belong in Canada.
I read the article. It’s not the best prose, but it’s well-sourced, and I didn’t detect any falsehoods. The article doesn’t excuse or condone, and least of all does it encourage, violence toward Jews. It simply describes, among other things, prevailing attitudes toward Israel, and the actions thereof, among Canadian Jews.
Accurately describing the attitudes held by Canadian Jews toward Israel does not constitute anti-Semitism. Identifying as a Jew does not give anyone a free pass to support genocide without being subject to criticism.
Claiming that criticism of Zionism will inevitably lead to anti-Semitism is transparently fallacious. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religion or an ethnicity. Based on the available data, conflating Zionism with Judaism will only serve to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, and presumably elsewhere. If that isn’t your goal, you’re going about things the wrong way.