Financial firms want a bigger piece of the $10 trillion in America’s 401(k) plans, and the Trump administration is planning a regulatory rollback to encourage less-regulated — and often riskier — investments.
I’m sure there are genuine WallStreetBets types that would be thrilled to have some of these zanier options available. I’ve known some reasonably fiscally intelligent people put money into gold, crypto mining funds, supposed collectibles, etc. A company wishing to give people what they want, even if it is stupid, is something that makes sense in that context. I wouldn’t put these things quite up to Nigerian prince levels of scammy, but if someone asked me if they were good investments picks, it’d be an easy no from me.
I have no issue with them being barred from being options in 401(k)s, because even if you do know all the ins and outs of trading these things, a 401(k) is a personal pension plan, and since that is supposed to be your personal safety net, I don’t support people making that safety not of questionable quality ropes, but I also know people foolish with money are going to do so no matter how foolproof you try to make something. I’m mid 40s and almost 100% in all stocks, which some people would consider overly risky, but I am comfortable with it. If someone wants to be what I consider greedy, it’s still within their right to bet on crazy stuff. I’d be mad if 401(k) money could only go into treasuries to be super safe.
There’s always risk in every part of the market, and I think we as a society do a disservice to people not teaching better financial literacy early in life when it can have the greatest impact, but what foolish stuff we spend it on should still really only be our own business. With that said though, now that places are auto-enrolling people into 401(k)s, anyone who would auto-enroll someone into a higher than average risk fund is a prick and should be punished.
Yeah, different things work for different people. I’m retired and 100% stocks, but that’s because I have a pension and my house is paid off and if shit really hits the fan I can just withdraw less, or even zero, for a few years and it’ll only impact my luxury and travel spending.
I do think there should be some guardrails, but you’re right, they shouldn’t be too restrictive, people should have the choice.
You’re also right when you say education early in life would be a big advantage.
As for auto enrolling in these funds; that definitely should be prohibited. Until someone makes a selection it should go into secured bonds, just like a settlement fund with a brokerage. That at least gives them the opportunity to become informed, and if they don’t take that opportunity, that’s on them.
You certainly sound like you did many things right along the way!
My grandfather taught me about the barebones bits when I got my first job at 16 and he started my Roth for me at the time. I didn’t care so much about it then, but by my mid 20s I was doing ok enough to start learning more and take a more active (for a Boglehead!😅) position on things right around the financial crisis, which I think benefitted me as I watched the money I had left untouched and largely forgotten about disappear, but then shortly after got to watch it come back with a vengeance for a long time, so it taught me to ride things out.
I’m about to get my mortgage down in the 5 figures, so that milestone is starting to actually feel in sight. My wife went back to school recently and has a great job now, and my personal investments are worth more than my house at this point, so I’m pretty pleased with myself considering I’ve never been a high earner.
I see we both picked up downvotes, and I can understand even at what I’d consider a healthy modest net worth, that this is still out of reach for far too many, so I wish people would talk rather than just be silently pissy. I’m not here to gloat about anything or say this rule change is great. Anyone who actually read what I said should be able to get that. But no matter our position, we can almost always find some small way to improve our situation, it just starts with education. Can’t please everyone though!
I had a little early exposure myself. A math class in junior high had a project where we invested fake money over the semester. When my dad learned of this he opened me a brokerage account and put a little money in so I was doing it for real and took the opportunity to give me some basic education. My results were…mixed, but I learned a lot. (This was the late 80s so he actually had to get on the phone every time I wanted to trade.) So I paid more attention than my peers as soon as I got my “real” job after college, this allowed me to retire as soon as I earned a pension in my late 40s. My wife thought it was weird how much I was into it when we met in our mid 20s but she says she’s very appreciative now.
Losing that 6th figure from the mortgage is huge. I remember how good that felt, congrats on the milestone!
I don’t know how long you’ve been on Lemmy but discussing sound strategies for living in a capitalist system (which most of us have no control over) instead of screaming about how everything is designed to make us wage slaves for life and ensure we die pennyless (they may be right, but many people avoid that fate and I would like to be one of them) is always going to pick up some downvotes. God help us if someone decides it’s interesting enough to post a screenshot on “the triad” and they decide to hop on their alts and come over. Comes with the territory.
Wow, that was great your dad did all that to help you learn! My wife isn’t much into it, but she at least knows it’s a good thing. When I met her, she was basically broke and had trashed credit and got her car repo-ed. It turned out she had some underlying mental health things exacerbated by 2 significant deaths in the family, so after getting her back on track with that, I helped her get her finances back in order, and then she was able to go back to school and is now doing better than I am! 😅
There are all kinds of investments really. I funded her a secured credit card and supported her while she was recovering and while she was in school and interning, cosigned so she could get a reliable car for all that, and now her credit score is over 800, she got her own new car and gave me her 3 year old one I helped her get, and she’s putting a good amount into her retirement savings and pays for all our travel and dining. It’s not a luxurious life, but it’s more than enough. A lot of people probably would have seen that as a risky investment!
I’ve been here for 3 years and mainly just talk owls and wildlife rehab, but I was curious what the OPs article was about and wanted to give people a brief overview since I know many respond just to the headline and I wanted to show it wasn’t all that sinister. I was just talking to someone else here this morning I kind of feel alienated from just about all political movements, but I acknowledge I live in a capitalist society, so that’s the game I’m stuck in right now, so I’m going to play that to the best of my abilities. I don’t have to cherish it, but it’s the hand I’ve drawn. Complaining nets me nothing. Making the most of what I do have, in a way I feel is moral, is the best I can do. I’ve got to look out for myself and my wife because no one else will if things ever go bad. If all my educational and helpful posts haven’t convinced people I’m at least a smidge on the decent side, nothing is going to convince them. I’m just here to chat with people, not convert them to some belief system.
I’m sure there are genuine WallStreetBets types that would be thrilled to have some of these zanier options available. I’ve known some reasonably fiscally intelligent people put money into gold, crypto mining funds, supposed collectibles, etc. A company wishing to give people what they want, even if it is stupid, is something that makes sense in that context. I wouldn’t put these things quite up to Nigerian prince levels of scammy, but if someone asked me if they were good investments picks, it’d be an easy no from me.
I have no issue with them being barred from being options in 401(k)s, because even if you do know all the ins and outs of trading these things, a 401(k) is a personal pension plan, and since that is supposed to be your personal safety net, I don’t support people making that safety not of questionable quality ropes, but I also know people foolish with money are going to do so no matter how foolproof you try to make something. I’m mid 40s and almost 100% in all stocks, which some people would consider overly risky, but I am comfortable with it. If someone wants to be what I consider greedy, it’s still within their right to bet on crazy stuff. I’d be mad if 401(k) money could only go into treasuries to be super safe.
There’s always risk in every part of the market, and I think we as a society do a disservice to people not teaching better financial literacy early in life when it can have the greatest impact, but what foolish stuff we spend it on should still really only be our own business. With that said though, now that places are auto-enrolling people into 401(k)s, anyone who would auto-enroll someone into a higher than average risk fund is a prick and should be punished.
Yeah, different things work for different people. I’m retired and 100% stocks, but that’s because I have a pension and my house is paid off and if shit really hits the fan I can just withdraw less, or even zero, for a few years and it’ll only impact my luxury and travel spending.
I do think there should be some guardrails, but you’re right, they shouldn’t be too restrictive, people should have the choice.
You’re also right when you say education early in life would be a big advantage.
As for auto enrolling in these funds; that definitely should be prohibited. Until someone makes a selection it should go into secured bonds, just like a settlement fund with a brokerage. That at least gives them the opportunity to become informed, and if they don’t take that opportunity, that’s on them.
You certainly sound like you did many things right along the way!
My grandfather taught me about the barebones bits when I got my first job at 16 and he started my Roth for me at the time. I didn’t care so much about it then, but by my mid 20s I was doing ok enough to start learning more and take a more active (for a Boglehead!😅) position on things right around the financial crisis, which I think benefitted me as I watched the money I had left untouched and largely forgotten about disappear, but then shortly after got to watch it come back with a vengeance for a long time, so it taught me to ride things out.
I’m about to get my mortgage down in the 5 figures, so that milestone is starting to actually feel in sight. My wife went back to school recently and has a great job now, and my personal investments are worth more than my house at this point, so I’m pretty pleased with myself considering I’ve never been a high earner.
I see we both picked up downvotes, and I can understand even at what I’d consider a healthy modest net worth, that this is still out of reach for far too many, so I wish people would talk rather than just be silently pissy. I’m not here to gloat about anything or say this rule change is great. Anyone who actually read what I said should be able to get that. But no matter our position, we can almost always find some small way to improve our situation, it just starts with education. Can’t please everyone though!
I had a little early exposure myself. A math class in junior high had a project where we invested fake money over the semester. When my dad learned of this he opened me a brokerage account and put a little money in so I was doing it for real and took the opportunity to give me some basic education. My results were…mixed, but I learned a lot. (This was the late 80s so he actually had to get on the phone every time I wanted to trade.) So I paid more attention than my peers as soon as I got my “real” job after college, this allowed me to retire as soon as I earned a pension in my late 40s. My wife thought it was weird how much I was into it when we met in our mid 20s but she says she’s very appreciative now.
Losing that 6th figure from the mortgage is huge. I remember how good that felt, congrats on the milestone!
I don’t know how long you’ve been on Lemmy but discussing sound strategies for living in a capitalist system (which most of us have no control over) instead of screaming about how everything is designed to make us wage slaves for life and ensure we die pennyless (they may be right, but many people avoid that fate and I would like to be one of them) is always going to pick up some downvotes. God help us if someone decides it’s interesting enough to post a screenshot on “the triad” and they decide to hop on their alts and come over. Comes with the territory.
Wow, that was great your dad did all that to help you learn! My wife isn’t much into it, but she at least knows it’s a good thing. When I met her, she was basically broke and had trashed credit and got her car repo-ed. It turned out she had some underlying mental health things exacerbated by 2 significant deaths in the family, so after getting her back on track with that, I helped her get her finances back in order, and then she was able to go back to school and is now doing better than I am! 😅
There are all kinds of investments really. I funded her a secured credit card and supported her while she was recovering and while she was in school and interning, cosigned so she could get a reliable car for all that, and now her credit score is over 800, she got her own new car and gave me her 3 year old one I helped her get, and she’s putting a good amount into her retirement savings and pays for all our travel and dining. It’s not a luxurious life, but it’s more than enough. A lot of people probably would have seen that as a risky investment!
I’ve been here for 3 years and mainly just talk owls and wildlife rehab, but I was curious what the OPs article was about and wanted to give people a brief overview since I know many respond just to the headline and I wanted to show it wasn’t all that sinister. I was just talking to someone else here this morning I kind of feel alienated from just about all political movements, but I acknowledge I live in a capitalist society, so that’s the game I’m stuck in right now, so I’m going to play that to the best of my abilities. I don’t have to cherish it, but it’s the hand I’ve drawn. Complaining nets me nothing. Making the most of what I do have, in a way I feel is moral, is the best I can do. I’ve got to look out for myself and my wife because no one else will if things ever go bad. If all my educational and helpful posts haven’t convinced people I’m at least a smidge on the decent side, nothing is going to convince them. I’m just here to chat with people, not convert them to some belief system.