The world isn’t as simple as good guys vs. bad guys. It’s all shades of grey, and your ally on one issue might be your adversary on another issue.
His support for the Iran war could be that he genuinely believes it, as Iran is opposed to western hegemony and thus is a threat to western banks
He’s said why from the very beginning. Iran having nuclear weapons would be bad for everyone. He’s suggested people read the IAEA reports on Iran. Have you? There’s no need to speculate on what his intentions are, you just need to do some reading.
First of all, Iran is not now, nor has it ever been, interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. I am not talking about some pie-in-the-sky hippie talk on some stoned out guy who doesn’t know what year it is, but this is based on the intelligence reports of the CIA and without question probably MI6, CSIS, the French DGSE and others. There is no nuclear weapons program.
They are still holding onto the claim that they want no nuclear weapons even if at this point in time it might actually make sense for them to actually WANT nukes, given the sheer bullshit the US and Israel is doing now they might actually have a fully logical justification for wanting it. Not because they want to nuke Europe or establish some global Shia caliphate, but simply as a way of holding up the same gun being held against them.
Prior to the 1979 revolution, Israel and Iran were actually allies. The main reason was due to the anti-Arabism and opposition to Arab nationalism of the Shah’s regime that acted as a major thorn in their neighbor’s sides. After the revolution this changed for obvious reasons. For a while Saddam was ‘our man in the Middle East’ due to the Iran-Iraq war (which I do not believe was instigated by the CIA. Saddam did that on his own feeling he can acquire more territory due to the rapidly changing and weakened position Iran had at the time), but Israel also always hated Iraq from the get-go and has been doing to them what they wish they could have been doing to the Iranians from day one. Constantly committing terrorism and bombing against Iraq when they had even the slightest interest in their own nuclear energy program (they bombed them in the 60s or 70s and killed some French nuclear scientists).
The main thing they have wanted with Iran now is the same thing they wanted from day 1 in 1979. They want to turn Iran into a failed state. They want internal chaos, people killing each other over nothing, and unable to organize in any shape or form. This is what they have done to Iraq post-first Gulf War (1990s Iraq was a shithole) and post-2003 Iraq War (which effectively turned the place into a quagmire from which it might not recover from for multiple lifetimes).
Second of all, yes… it is a shades of grey situation. But it isn’t what you think. I do not now, nor have I ever, supported the authoritarian religious rulers of Iran, anymore than I would have supported the authoritarian secular ruler of Iran pre-1979. Both were brutal in very similar ways.
But one thing I do not understand is how anyone, whether they are some random middle aged lemmiverse user like myself, or a leader of a large and fairly important country like Canada, could possibly think that ANY of this is a good idea for the reasons they think. The only fucking reason Iran is being attacked like this is because Netenyahu has the US by the balls (and his hands aren’t fully off yet) and he’s forcing this action because he has an aging absolute moron who is readily and easily bribeable in power, and the people he appointed are braindead ideologically driven religious fanatics and racials supremacists who would rather see the whole world burn in nuclear hellfire (or human-induced hellfire) than see a single non-white people not behave like Stepin Fetchit.
Does Carney really think that by doing what they’re doing now they’re going to actually liberate Iran? I am not a political scientist, but I have been watching political news for my entire adult life (even going before I was an adult) and one thing I learned is this: No matter how shitty a regime is to its people, the INSTANT they are under foreign attack, people will rally to the flag and behind the same shitty leader that had his army shoot at them barely days before. It happened with Saddam, it happened in Vietnam before it, it happened in Nazi Germany during WW2 (the post-WW2 guilty didn’t start until a new generation grew up after the war and it only got started in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to that the average German really didn’t know about Auschwitz and the majority opinion was denail of the holocaust).
I am not immune to it either. I fucking hated Trudeau for his lackluster reaction to the housing crisis that is effecting me every single day, and his gun laws that are both expensive and ineffective… but at the same when Trump started talking about Annexing Canada and Trudeau said ‘not a snowball’s chance in hell of Canada becoming the 51st state’ I couldn’t help but be supportive of him.
Carney’s support for the war is not based on humanitarian grounds or the belief that the religious regime should be overthrown because it will result in better lives for the average Iranian. Carney does not give one singular DAMN about the average Canadian at home. I will say it again. He is 100% interested in protecting the economic, military, and political hegemony of western banks over everything else. He will send the entire Iranian population to hell if it meant saving a single dollar for the banks.
First of all, Iran is not now, nor has it ever been, interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. I am not talking about some pie-in-the-sky hippie talk on some stoned out guy who doesn’t know what year it is, but this is based on the intelligence reports of the CIA and without question probably MI6, CSIS, the French DGSE and others. There is no nuclear weapons program.
Show me these reports. Otherwise it is just pie-in-the-sky hippy talk.
The JCPOA was a deal Obama made with Iran about… what exactly? If there never was an Iran nuclear program, then what did Obama make a deal with them about?
The rest of your post is just a lot of rambling based on this pie-in-the-sky hippie talk that you’re pretending is real.
Iran has a nuclear weapons program. That’s been a primary factor in negotiations with Iran for decades. Just do a search there is a lot of information about this.
Iran was attacked out of nowhere, by one of the most incompetent and overconfident militaries on the planet, and now has more power and freedom than it started with. Supporting that invasion is the realm of fools and idiots. Still, within less than 24hrs, he said “we will unconditionally support the US in this war”.
Carney’s “elbows up” was to make ignorant people feel good about themselves while he sells the country out from under us, often times to US-based companies. He’s nothing but a traitor.
Ok, so you’re just pretending to ignore anything that doesn’t fit the narrative you want to believe.
For anyone else that cares about reality:
Iran has been purifying uranium beyond what’s needed for a civilian reactor
Iran doesn’t need to purify uranium at all because they purchase uranium from Russia that’s already purified to the level needed for their civilian reactor
The IAEA reported that Iran was secretly moving uranium to locations that they claimed there wasn’t uranium (gieger counters don’t lie)
Iran has very often officially stated they seek to be an existential threat to Israel
Iran also has a ritual where they routinely chant “Death to America”
Iran has troll farms engaged in an international propaganda campaign that has been remarkably effective at reaching the youth in the western world which has resulted in violence in western countries (notably the Bondi massacre)
Hamas (Iran’s proxy) massacred Israeli villages which resulted in a war in which around 75,000 people died.
Iran was party to the Syrian civil war in which at least 500,000 people died, and created a refugee crisis for the world
Sure, Trump was an idiot for cancelling the JCPOA in his first term. But that is not an excuse for the horrible things Iran has done. The Iranian narrative is that they would never ever build a nuclear weapon (which is false, there is no civilian use for uranium purifies above 5%) they were just minding their own business (which is false, they’ve been supporting terrorism across the middle east for decades and trying to spread terrorism into western countries) and there was absolutely no reason for anyone to attack them.
As Carney has said, we should take the world as it is, not how we want it to be.
I wish Trump didn’t cancel the JCPOA in his first term. I wish Trump never got elected. I wish Americans understood that by electing Trump a second time, a war with Iran was inevitable. I wish Iran didn’t have a nuclear weapons program. I wish they didn’t directly support terrorism in the Middle East. I wish October 7 never happened. I wish Iran’s troll farms weren’t propagandizing young people. I wish the Bondi massacre never happened.
But that’s just wishing, it’s not reality. Some of us think about how the world actually is. You’re thinking about how you want the world to be. That’s why Carney’s actions are so confusing to you.
Are you referring to last year when Russian asset and cult member Tulsi Gabbard said they aren’t building a nuclear weapon… but also admitted they were enriching uranium to a higher levels? Is that your source? What are they enriching the uranium for, Tulsi?
Yeah, I’m just going to stick with listening to the IAEA (and the basic logic of uranium enrichment above 5% having no purpose other than for a nuclear weapon) and ignore whatever comes out of the US cabinet clownshow.
Every single credible CIA report and reports from other intelligence agencies concur that Iran is not seeking nuclear weapons. You are the one falling for lies, not us.
If you’re going to accuse me of being a liar then show me all of the reports you’re basing your claims on.
I have actually searched for this information. I have found reports that do not say what you claim. There are damage assessments on the Iran nuclear program from last year. How could there be damage to a program that doesn’t exist? There is testimony to congress about the progress of Iran’s nuclear program. So right away your statement that “Every single credible CIA report” is a lie. Might sound convincing to people that won’t look up these reports, but it’s obviously a lie to anyone that has.
The world isn’t as simple as good guys vs. bad guys. It’s all shades of grey, and your ally on one issue might be your adversary on another issue.
He’s said why from the very beginning. Iran having nuclear weapons would be bad for everyone. He’s suggested people read the IAEA reports on Iran. Have you? There’s no need to speculate on what his intentions are, you just need to do some reading.
First of all, Iran is not now, nor has it ever been, interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. I am not talking about some pie-in-the-sky hippie talk on some stoned out guy who doesn’t know what year it is, but this is based on the intelligence reports of the CIA and without question probably MI6, CSIS, the French DGSE and others. There is no nuclear weapons program.
They are still holding onto the claim that they want no nuclear weapons even if at this point in time it might actually make sense for them to actually WANT nukes, given the sheer bullshit the US and Israel is doing now they might actually have a fully logical justification for wanting it. Not because they want to nuke Europe or establish some global Shia caliphate, but simply as a way of holding up the same gun being held against them.
Prior to the 1979 revolution, Israel and Iran were actually allies. The main reason was due to the anti-Arabism and opposition to Arab nationalism of the Shah’s regime that acted as a major thorn in their neighbor’s sides. After the revolution this changed for obvious reasons. For a while Saddam was ‘our man in the Middle East’ due to the Iran-Iraq war (which I do not believe was instigated by the CIA. Saddam did that on his own feeling he can acquire more territory due to the rapidly changing and weakened position Iran had at the time), but Israel also always hated Iraq from the get-go and has been doing to them what they wish they could have been doing to the Iranians from day one. Constantly committing terrorism and bombing against Iraq when they had even the slightest interest in their own nuclear energy program (they bombed them in the 60s or 70s and killed some French nuclear scientists).
The main thing they have wanted with Iran now is the same thing they wanted from day 1 in 1979. They want to turn Iran into a failed state. They want internal chaos, people killing each other over nothing, and unable to organize in any shape or form. This is what they have done to Iraq post-first Gulf War (1990s Iraq was a shithole) and post-2003 Iraq War (which effectively turned the place into a quagmire from which it might not recover from for multiple lifetimes).
Second of all, yes… it is a shades of grey situation. But it isn’t what you think. I do not now, nor have I ever, supported the authoritarian religious rulers of Iran, anymore than I would have supported the authoritarian secular ruler of Iran pre-1979. Both were brutal in very similar ways.
But one thing I do not understand is how anyone, whether they are some random middle aged lemmiverse user like myself, or a leader of a large and fairly important country like Canada, could possibly think that ANY of this is a good idea for the reasons they think. The only fucking reason Iran is being attacked like this is because Netenyahu has the US by the balls (and his hands aren’t fully off yet) and he’s forcing this action because he has an aging absolute moron who is readily and easily bribeable in power, and the people he appointed are braindead ideologically driven religious fanatics and racials supremacists who would rather see the whole world burn in nuclear hellfire (or human-induced hellfire) than see a single non-white people not behave like Stepin Fetchit.
Does Carney really think that by doing what they’re doing now they’re going to actually liberate Iran? I am not a political scientist, but I have been watching political news for my entire adult life (even going before I was an adult) and one thing I learned is this: No matter how shitty a regime is to its people, the INSTANT they are under foreign attack, people will rally to the flag and behind the same shitty leader that had his army shoot at them barely days before. It happened with Saddam, it happened in Vietnam before it, it happened in Nazi Germany during WW2 (the post-WW2 guilty didn’t start until a new generation grew up after the war and it only got started in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to that the average German really didn’t know about Auschwitz and the majority opinion was denail of the holocaust).
I am not immune to it either. I fucking hated Trudeau for his lackluster reaction to the housing crisis that is effecting me every single day, and his gun laws that are both expensive and ineffective… but at the same when Trump started talking about Annexing Canada and Trudeau said ‘not a snowball’s chance in hell of Canada becoming the 51st state’ I couldn’t help but be supportive of him.
Carney’s support for the war is not based on humanitarian grounds or the belief that the religious regime should be overthrown because it will result in better lives for the average Iranian. Carney does not give one singular DAMN about the average Canadian at home. I will say it again. He is 100% interested in protecting the economic, military, and political hegemony of western banks over everything else. He will send the entire Iranian population to hell if it meant saving a single dollar for the banks.
Show me these reports. Otherwise it is just pie-in-the-sky hippy talk.
The JCPOA was a deal Obama made with Iran about… what exactly? If there never was an Iran nuclear program, then what did Obama make a deal with them about?
The rest of your post is just a lot of rambling based on this pie-in-the-sky hippie talk that you’re pretending is real.
Iran has a nuclear weapons program. That’s been a primary factor in negotiations with Iran for decades. Just do a search there is a lot of information about this.
Here:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291
Are you claiming the UN is lying about Iran having a nuclear program?
Iran was attacked out of nowhere, by one of the most incompetent and overconfident militaries on the planet, and now has more power and freedom than it started with. Supporting that invasion is the realm of fools and idiots. Still, within less than 24hrs, he said “we will unconditionally support the US in this war”.
Carney’s “elbows up” was to make ignorant people feel good about themselves while he sells the country out from under us, often times to US-based companies. He’s nothing but a traitor.
Ok, so you’re just pretending to ignore anything that doesn’t fit the narrative you want to believe.
For anyone else that cares about reality:
Sure, Trump was an idiot for cancelling the JCPOA in his first term. But that is not an excuse for the horrible things Iran has done. The Iranian narrative is that they would never ever build a nuclear weapon (which is false, there is no civilian use for uranium purifies above 5%) they were just minding their own business (which is false, they’ve been supporting terrorism across the middle east for decades and trying to spread terrorism into western countries) and there was absolutely no reason for anyone to attack them.
As Carney has said, we should take the world as it is, not how we want it to be.
I wish Trump didn’t cancel the JCPOA in his first term. I wish Trump never got elected. I wish Americans understood that by electing Trump a second time, a war with Iran was inevitable. I wish Iran didn’t have a nuclear weapons program. I wish they didn’t directly support terrorism in the Middle East. I wish October 7 never happened. I wish Iran’s troll farms weren’t propagandizing young people. I wish the Bondi massacre never happened.
But that’s just wishing, it’s not reality. Some of us think about how the world actually is. You’re thinking about how you want the world to be. That’s why Carney’s actions are so confusing to you.
Even the CIA said that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon
Are you referring to last year when Russian asset and cult member Tulsi Gabbard said they aren’t building a nuclear weapon… but also admitted they were enriching uranium to a higher levels? Is that your source? What are they enriching the uranium for, Tulsi?
Yeah, I’m just going to stick with listening to the IAEA (and the basic logic of uranium enrichment above 5% having no purpose other than for a nuclear weapon) and ignore whatever comes out of the US cabinet clownshow.
Every single credible CIA report and reports from other intelligence agencies concur that Iran is not seeking nuclear weapons. You are the one falling for lies, not us.
Show me them.
If you’re going to accuse me of being a liar then show me all of the reports you’re basing your claims on.
I have actually searched for this information. I have found reports that do not say what you claim. There are damage assessments on the Iran nuclear program from last year. How could there be damage to a program that doesn’t exist? There is testimony to congress about the progress of Iran’s nuclear program. So right away your statement that “Every single credible CIA report” is a lie. Might sound convincing to people that won’t look up these reports, but it’s obviously a lie to anyone that has.