You are not engaging with the argument. You are assigning a fixed moral meaning to the abstract act of supplying weapons while ignoring who controls them, who receives them, and what they are used for. Calling every arms transfer “profit from death” is just an easy handwave to avoid dealing with reality. It is moralism that erases ownership, state power, class interest, and concrete material conditions.
We already know these weapons end up on both sides of conflicts. You are either ignorant or being disingenuous. If it is the former, here is an article.
Due to the way proliferation of arms works you can never ensure your weapons of destruction end up in the right hands, plus you are making a moral decision by deciding which group to arm to begin with. Even if we did give the Chinese MIC the benefit of the doubt they are still aware that they have inadvertently armed both sides.
I don’t buy it as in it is objectively wrong and more disgusting acts of imperialism. You hand wave the civilian death away because you don’t care.
You don’t get to choose the argument. I have presented my belief and the facts that are not debatable.
borcsrt the terms. Because you lack humanity . You are simply wrong in my eyes and that is okay.
Yeah with every response I’m more sure you are a privileged white pacifist from the imperial core. To be consistent you of course must condemn the ANC, the union in the American civil war and the allies in ww2 for the use and dissemination of weapons. I hope you one day grow up but for now please fuck off
Yes, we already know you don’t have an argument so you resort to silly insults that amount to lies and then a generous amount of whataboutism. I am not surprised.
Edit: for clarity I will gladly condem the US. I have studied human rights most of my life and the US is the greatest offender in my eyes.
I know, that is what has happened to you guys. Sitting around defending shithole countries like China and Russia because they used to be “communist” when in reality they were always oligarchies.
I know a lot of leftists (myself included) that are disgusted with the state of things.
You condemn the union? Wow you are evil. A pro confederacy pacifist now that’s a first. Do you also condemn the allies? The ANC? The IRA? The militant unions who won the 8 hour work day and 5 day workweek? and If your answer to any of this is no you have quite the inconsistent position.
whataboutism
Nonsense word used by shithead debatebros to avoid comparative argument that would expose their hypocrisy and inconsistencies.
Calling out actions that causes human suffering could be considered evil I am sure. But only for people who would act like bootlickers to nations and corporations.
Do I condemn other nations for doing the same things? Yes, of course. You are clearly out if your league living out some campist fantasy. I have no dogs in this fight and I am most critical of the country I am from since I know it the best.
What does labor unions have to do with this discussion. You are pretty far off the topic unless you can explain your reasoning.
I can see that the term whataboutism is triggering you. I will refrain from using this loaded language in the future.
You are not engaging with the argument. You are assigning a fixed moral meaning to the abstract act of supplying weapons while ignoring who controls them, who receives them, and what they are used for. Calling every arms transfer “profit from death” is just an easy handwave to avoid dealing with reality. It is moralism that erases ownership, state power, class interest, and concrete material conditions.
We already know these weapons end up on both sides of conflicts. You are either ignorant or being disingenuous. If it is the former, here is an article.
https://www.btl-research.com/p/chinese-weapons-on-both-sides-of
Due to the way proliferation of arms works you can never ensure your weapons of destruction end up in the right hands, plus you are making a moral decision by deciding which group to arm to begin with. Even if we did give the Chinese MIC the benefit of the doubt they are still aware that they have inadvertently armed both sides.
I don’t buy it as in it is objectively wrong and more disgusting acts of imperialism. You hand wave the civilian death away because you don’t care.
You don’t get to choose the argument. I have presented my belief and the facts that are not debatable.
borcsrt the terms. Because you lack humanity . You are simply wrong in my eyes and that is okay.
Yeah with every response I’m more sure you are a privileged white pacifist from the imperial core. To be consistent you of course must condemn the ANC, the union in the American civil war and the allies in ww2 for the use and dissemination of weapons. I hope you one day grow up but for now please fuck off
Yes, we already know you don’t have an argument so you resort to silly insults that amount to lies and then a generous amount of whataboutism. I am not surprised.
Edit: for clarity I will gladly condem the US. I have studied human rights most of my life and the US is the greatest offender in my eyes.
Who’s we? You speaking French now?
None of us here agree with your braindead take lol. Look at the votes if you don’t believe me.
Oh you mean my take isn’t popular here!? Oh darn!
It is not popular amongst most groups of human rights deniers.
Marxists : famously anti human rights
Lmfao.
You’re a joke, man.
I know, that is what has happened to you guys. Sitting around defending shithole countries like China and Russia because they used to be “communist” when in reality they were always oligarchies.
I know a lot of leftists (myself included) that are disgusted with the state of things.
Lmmfao
You condemn the union? Wow you are evil. A pro confederacy pacifist now that’s a first. Do you also condemn the allies? The ANC? The IRA? The militant unions who won the 8 hour work day and 5 day workweek? and If your answer to any of this is no you have quite the inconsistent position.
Nonsense word used by shithead debatebros to avoid comparative argument that would expose their hypocrisy and inconsistencies.
Calling out actions that causes human suffering could be considered evil I am sure. But only for people who would act like bootlickers to nations and corporations.
Do I condemn other nations for doing the same things? Yes, of course. You are clearly out if your league living out some campist fantasy. I have no dogs in this fight and I am most critical of the country I am from since I know it the best.
What does labor unions have to do with this discussion. You are pretty far off the topic unless you can explain your reasoning.
I can see that the term whataboutism is triggering you. I will refrain from using this loaded language in the future.